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passes 9-0.

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I do need a motion to adjourn

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the work session.
>> moved by Ms. Kennedy,

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seconded by Ms. Thurm, all in
favor aye.

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That passes 9-0.
We will begin tonight's
meeting with a moment of

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silence.
Would you lead us into the

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policemen of allegiance.
I pledge allegiance to the
flag of the united states of
america, and to the republic

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for which it stands one
nation, under God, invisible,
with liberty and justice for

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all.
>> thank you.

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Mr. City manager would you

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please recognize our cower ier
>> yes, ma'am.

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Tonight we have charles
mclaughlin in our engineer

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inspections department with
the city.

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He's been with us since
February 2001.

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He along with the other team

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members and engineerers do a
lot of important work for the

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city relative to designing,
activating maintenance for the
city.

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Mr. Mclaughlin is standing to

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my right, council's left in
the event anybody would like

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to give somebody to city
council tonight if you would

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give to to charles he would be
more than happy to give it to
city council.

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Thank you.
>> our council procedure for

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each meeting involves an
electronic
voting process. Each member of
council must vote unless there

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is a direct conflict. The vote
is recorded and displayed on
the above screen.

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We do allow for speakers to
address the council on agenda

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items as they are called. And
we ask that you please fill
out the form to request to

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speak at the front desk as you
enter the chamber. Preference

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shall be given to those
speakers who have not spoken

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before the council during the

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speakers from the floor
session in the last thirty
days, prior to the regular
meeting. If there are more

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than ten speakers who have
signed up to speak, the
remaining speakers shall be

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able to speak to council for
three minutes at the end of

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the meeting, if time permits.
Only those speakers who have
signed up by the time the
regularly scheduled speakers

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from the floor session is
complete will be allowed to
speak at the end of the
meeting.

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For safety reasons, we ask
that you do not approach the
dais and provide any
information or handouts for

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distribution to council, to
the courier, with your signup

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sheet.

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A resolution honoring the
memory of the late jack

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zimmerman to the May 1
meeting.

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Can I have a motion to

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postpone by Ms. Johnson,
seconded by Ms. Abuzuaiter.

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All in favor say aye.

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And that passes 9-0.

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Item number two is a
resolution recognizing

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April 28th as the martin

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marty david sheets day.
Mr. Outling.
>> I've been exciting about

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this meeting for quite some
time.
Among the many reasons it is

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because I'm going to offer
this resolution recognize

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April 28th of this year as

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martin marty david sheets day.
Whereas, martin "
marty"
david
sheets was a longtime resident

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of the city of greensboro;
graduated from ben l. Smith

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high school in 1972; and had a
38 year career at macy'
s

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department store;
whereas, marty began his

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participation in the sports

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arena in 1968 at the inaugural
special olympics world games

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held in chicago where he was

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presented with a gold medal by
eunice kennedy shriver;

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whereas, during his 42 year
participation in the special

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olympics as well as other
sporting events, marty was the

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recipient of an excess of 250
medals; whereas, in 1999,

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marty was presented the order

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of the long leaf pine by
governor hunt for being a good

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representative of the state of

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north carolina;
whereas, marty was inducted

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into the guilford county

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sports hall of fame in 2012,
and into the north carolina

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sports hall of fame in 2013;
whereas; for sixteen years

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marty volunteered at the
wyndham championship golf

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tournament, was named pga tour
volunteer of the year in 2006,

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and had the volunteer
pavilion used for the wyndham
named in honor of him in 2014;

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whereas, marty was an ordained
honorary elder at presbyterian
church of the covenant

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where a room was dedicated and
renamed in his honor, and
participated in many church

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activities;
whereas, additional awards
received by marty include, but

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are not limited to, the
citizenship award given by the
greensboro association for

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retarded citizens; winning
attitude award from macy'
s,
recipient of a plaque from

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governor hunt for representing

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greensboro in sports
for 25 years; sat with
President Clinton during the

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opening ceremonies of the
special olympics

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world games, featured torch
bearer in greensboro for the

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olympic torch run when the
olympics were held in atlanta,

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awarded a plaque from

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greensboro mayor allen
regarding people with

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disabilities; recipient of the

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"
distinguished citizen award"
from the north carolina
employment network of the
division of vocational
rehabilitation services for
"
outstanding

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achievements in the world of
work and public awareness of

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people with disabilities"
, and
recipient of the ep maxwell

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award in recognition of his

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competitive spirit and efforts
on behalf of the disability

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community;
whereas, marty also appeared
in television commercials and

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on advertisements promoting
the special olympic games;

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whereas, the city council, on
behalf of the citizens of

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greensboro wishes to commend
and recognize the dedication,
participation, and

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volunteerism throughout the
sports community of
martin "
marty"

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david sheets.
Now, therefore, be it resolved

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by the city council of the
city of greensboro:

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that it hereby recognizes
April 28th, 2018 as marty

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sheets day in honor of his
dedication, participation, and
volunteerism throughout the

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sports community.
>> move the resolution.
>> second.

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>> so that has been moved and
seconded.

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Council please vote.
>> and that passes 9-0 and I

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believe david sheets is here.
>> that's right.

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As well as the number of other

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family members and supporters
so if all those who are

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interested in coming to the
podium to receive this

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resolution on behalf of the
city of greensboro would

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please do so now.

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[Applause]
>> that's quite all right.

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We'll hear it again.

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[Off mic]

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[Off mic]

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[Applause]

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Off mike.

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Item number three is a

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resolution recognizing the

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mung of April as national

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autism month and April 2, 2018

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as world autism awareness day.
Ms. Thurm.
>> yes.

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It is hard to follow that and

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I have to say this res
solution very special to me as

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I have a grandson on the

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autism spectrum.
Whereas, autism spectrum
disorders are a broad range of

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conditions characterized by

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challenges with social skills,
repetitive behaviors, speech,
and nonverbal communication;

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whereas, autism spectrum
disorders affect at least one

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in sixty-eight children and an
unknown number of adults in
the united state of all

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genders, races, ethnicities,
and socioeconomic backgrounds;

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whereas, early, accurate
diagnosis and appropriate

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education, intervention, and
supports are
vital to the well-being of

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those with autism spectrum
disorders;

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whereas, persons with an
autism spectrum disorder
should have access to the care

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services, and opportunities
they need to be happy and to
achieve their greatest

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potential;
whereas, the city council, on

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behalf of the citizens of

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greensboro wishes to take part
in the annual observance of

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world autism month and world

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autism awareness day in the
hope that it will lead to
additional research, a better

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understanding, and acceptance
of autism spectrum

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disorder.

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Now, therefore, be it resolved
by the city council of the
city of greensboro:

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that it hereby takes part in
the annual observance of world

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autism month and recognizes

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April 2, 2018 as world autism
awareness day to raise public

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understanding of autism

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spectrum disorder.

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Adopted this the third day of

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April, 2018.
>> I move the item.

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>> second.
>> and that has been moved and

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seconded.

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Council please vote.

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And that passes 9-0.

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Christening are you here?

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Chris, are you here?
Sorry.
I havea it.

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On behalf of the local autism
community I would like to

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thank the mayor and the city
council for passing this

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resolution.
Thank you.
>> thank you.

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[Applause]

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So we will now move on to the
speakers from the floor
portion of our agenda and

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you'll be given five minutes
to speak.

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Many of the sign-up sheets

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don't have the items on which
you came to speak about.

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So we have put them together
as in a group as best as I

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could so I'm going to start
with those who have signed up

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to speak about the gun show or

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gun violence and if you aren't

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called on and you're in that
group you know please come and

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speak towards the end.

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I do want to recognize
representative amos wick,

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representative thank you for
coming.
[Applause]

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Good to see you.

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and I see candidate adam coker

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here in the audience as well.

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[Applause]

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So we'll start in no

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particular order.

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Ann joy kay hill swinson.
And mitchell frier.

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Those are the first three

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speakers.
>> hi.

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My name is ann joy kay hill
swanson.

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I am 14-year-old and manager
for March for our live in
greensboro.

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I would like to quickly
introduce the organization I'm

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speaking on behalf of and go

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through goals of March for our
lives in greensboro and its
relation to the second
amendment.

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Our first goal is to fund gun
violence research.

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Currently the lack of fundings

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to our research is making it
impossible to understand what

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we need to do to save lives.
Two, strengthen the deal of

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alcohol, tobacco, firearms and
explosives.
There are several statutory

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requirements on the atf such
as require that gun database

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be non-searchable.
We tell the government we have

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a car why can't we have guns
and secrets.

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Three, universal background
checks.
The demand is supported by the

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vast majority of people just

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not the ones representing u.
That has to change.

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Four, a high capacity magazine
band.
No one needs a magazine

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capable of holding 10 rounds

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of ammunition.
A say in 2018 shows 88

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americans supported this ban.

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Five a ban on semi-automatic
rifles, incapable of hunting

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making them only useful for
kimming maximum number of

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people, we call for a stop to
that.
Everything we are advocating

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for is in line with the second
amendment, which comes with

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common sense restrictions like
every other amendment.

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I am here to speak out against

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the gun show, not only weapons
are sold there military grade

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weapons but they are
accessible without background
checks.

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It is incredibly dangerous to
have people purchasing weapons

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of war without giving
information about themselves.

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One of the main goals at March

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for our lives is to ban
semi-automatic rifles to have

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these readily available at gun
shows and city-owned

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buildingicize not only
unnecessary it's dangerous.

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We as a country need to make

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it incredibly difficult if not

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impossible to obtain these
weapons and commit mass

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murders such as the parkland

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shooting.
The first amendment guarantee

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as right to religion,
assembly, and speech.

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Just because it is a right to
assembly does not mean you can

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assemble a riot.

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Just because freedom of speech
does not mean right to bear

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arms dunot mean military grade
weapons to be legally

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available to anyone the idea
that the second amendment

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should come with no
restrictionicize an incredibly

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radical one and is not
supported by supreme court

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cases such as the hallered

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decision where late justice

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antonin scalia stated nothing
in our opinion should be cast

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out on the possession of
firearms, felons and mentally

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ill or laws forbidding the
carrying of firearms in

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sensitive places such as
schools or government

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buildings or laws imposing
conditions and qual, physical

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on the commercial sale of
arms.

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The team of March for our
lives greensboro as well as

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students and teenagers across
the country have not lost hope

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in our country.
As soon as we start believing

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more gunicize the only answer

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we accept this gun violence as
inevitable and my team dozen

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THINKs it.
We have been tested again and

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again and unfortunately adults

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have not taken actionism
that's why we are taking it

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into our own hands.
A gun show and background

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checks and identification are

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not required are completely
ridiculous.

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Please take a stand with us
and refuse to accept this

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reality in our schools and
country.

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We need to take every
opportunity to prevent these

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attacks from happening until
we can truthfully say never
again.

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Thank you.

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[Applause]
>> good afternoon.

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My name is.
[Inaudible]
I will be discussing about the

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social engineering of violence

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unamerica.
[Inaudible]

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Social jeering of
and citiesine america.

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Mr. Brown over the greensboro

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coliseum manager.
[Inaudible]

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[Too close to mic] The only
reason to have a gu is to

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kill another person into
establish control over a group

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of people.
Young black students and

00:23:42.465 --> 00:23:44.266
resident on the eastside of
greensboro are dealing with

00:23:45.536 --> 00:23:47.237
the every day ordeal of being
attacked whether from armed

00:23:47.938 --> 00:23:49.938
robbery, sexual assault or

00:23:51.442 --> 00:23:53.442
greensboro police department.

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Further we once talked about

00:23:58.715 --> 00:24:01.317
how this government is the
power of defense and military

00:24:01.585 --> 00:24:03.585
weapons only 1% of our dollars

00:24:04.288 --> 00:24:06.289
in food and agriculture, 2% on
unemployment and labor and 5%

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on education.
We always boarded by what

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another nation going to attack
this country from the outside

00:24:11.862 --> 00:24:13.763
as President Trump seeks to
increase military spending.

00:24:15.532 --> 00:24:18.368
He plans on spending
$1.6 billion on a border wall

00:24:19.570 --> 00:24:22.406
that would supposedly stop
latino people from entering

00:24:23.441 --> 00:24:25.441
the U.S. However according to

00:24:26.440 --> 00:24:28.445
other jones since 1982 there
have been 56 mass shootings

00:24:28.679 --> 00:24:31.314
done by white individuals and
only seven mass shootings done

00:24:32.830 --> 00:24:35.180
by latino peoples.
So does this conry have an

00:24:35.190 --> 00:24:37.654
immigration problem or does it
have a domestic terrorist

00:24:39.558 --> 00:24:41.292
problem, is soe, some white
americans?

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Looking at the numbers whites

00:24:44.329 --> 00:24:46.329
seem to be doing the majority

00:24:46.765 --> 00:24:49.466
of these mass murders.
In articles I hear by the way.

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but they are not being
deported and they are no walls

00:24:53.204 --> 00:24:55.739
being built to prec us from
them.

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So should america take away

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their guns?

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And I relay a quote by abraham
lincoln, america will never

00:25:10.989 --> 00:25:12.989
falter from the outside, if we

00:25:13.250 --> 00:25:15.126
falter we need get liquor
stores out of our communities,

00:25:17.630 --> 00:25:18.863
which create an atmosphere for
violence.

00:25:19.698 --> 00:25:21.666
Not only do we as americans
promote weapons greensboro

00:25:21.901 --> 00:25:23.901
sees in full that eventually

00:25:24.360 --> 00:25:26.360
give them at appetite for

00:25:26.105 --> 00:25:28.105
violence.

00:25:28.273 --> 00:25:30.273
Nutritionists nicklet pace say

00:25:31.100 --> 00:25:33.912
people who end to eat packaged
foods can find themselves more

00:25:35.248 --> 00:25:37.248
easily irritated and she also

00:25:37.784 --> 00:25:39.784
says it lacks of nutrients and

00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.755
vitamins by vitamin c or b in
mag newsyism which make as

00:25:44.457 --> 00:25:46.791
person have a short fuse.
Socially our city causes

00:25:47.527 --> 00:25:49.527
violence by feeding the black

00:25:49.863 --> 00:25:51.931
communities wendy's, arby's,
cookout, Mcdonalds, taco

00:25:53.990 --> 00:25:55.990
bell and sonic as we are the

00:25:55.702 --> 00:25:57.702
only like you all thing that

00:25:59.743 --> 00:26:01.940
we ony like filth on the
eastside of greensboro.
We are fed this as if we are a

00:26:02.175 --> 00:26:04.444
people that only like filth.
Many times we do not have the

00:26:04.444 --> 00:26:06.444
money for transportation and

00:26:07.314 --> 00:26:10.149
the price of food to go to the
avenue and eat something of

00:26:11.285 --> 00:26:13.719
nourishment for our proper
development.
In the new york times in 2009

00:26:14.221 --> 00:26:16.822
stated that the price of junk
food has dropped more than 30%

00:26:17.958 --> 00:26:19.959
in the last 20 years while te
prices of fruits and

00:26:20.293 --> 00:26:22.293
vegetables have increased by

00:26:23.970 --> 00:26:25.498
40 est.
Mr. Brown why won't you have

00:26:26.330 --> 00:26:28.330
multiple job fairs for people

00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:30.904
instead of a gun show because
Mr. Trump seeks to slash

00:26:33.707 --> 00:26:35.608
$3.6 billion from the
educational department.

00:26:36.977 --> 00:26:39.946
And later times without an
education one cannot find

00:26:40.281 --> 00:26:42.750
sufficient jobs to support
their families.

00:26:42.750 --> 00:26:45.619
Furthermore, our President
Seeks to cut loanness

00:26:46.540 --> 00:26:48.755
forgiveness programs and also
cares more about increasing

00:26:49.590 --> 00:26:51.625
military spending rather than
educating our future vendors

00:26:52.426 --> 00:26:54.227
and putting them to work.
Thereforeial see why there are

00:26:54.695 --> 00:26:56.963
so many mass shootings because
children often follow the

00:26:58.100 --> 00:27:00.501
leader and the leads of
america have nuclear weapons

00:27:00.802 --> 00:27:02.736
and oppressed white
individuals across the world.

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City of greensboro, america's

00:27:05.673 --> 00:27:07.408
leaders can not be hypocrites
and expect american citizens

00:27:08.977 --> 00:27:10.944
to put down the guns when our
leaders to not lead by example

00:27:11.846 --> 00:27:14.648
as they used in the forum
peoples in africa, the middle

00:27:15.217 --> 00:27:17.118
east and poor black ad brown
citizens ofthis country.

00:27:19.421 --> 00:27:21.723
So got to lead by example by
standing up first.
Thank you.

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[Applause]

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>> thank you.

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>> the next 3 speaks, dominic,
I can't 3 last name, it starts

00:27:45.140 --> 00:27:47.482
with a p.
Andrew stevens, and erica

00:27:48.717 --> 00:27:50.919
pagan.
>> my name is mitch.

00:27:51.554 --> 00:27:53.221
I'm here as part of a
nationwide organization that

00:27:55.992 --> 00:27:57.992
works to train folks on black

00:28:00.429 --> 00:28:02.397
ground lgbtq and muslim and
several organizations and

00:28:02.865 --> 00:28:05.266
community decents.
We've put our bodies on the

00:28:06.202 --> 00:28:08.202
line to protect ourselves and

00:28:08.205 --> 00:28:11.106
tacket people in our community
from violence on several
occasions.

00:28:12.750 --> 00:28:14.310
The gun show canceled because
assault weapons does not

00:28:14.611 --> 00:28:16.145
strike at the root of violence
in our communities.

00:28:17.413 --> 00:28:19.413
If the city wants to address

00:28:19.949 --> 00:28:22.850
mass violence it should be
folking efforts on addressing

00:28:22.850 --> 00:28:23.819
poverty.
Demilitarizing the city's

00:28:24.822 --> 00:28:27.523
police and recognizing many of
these mass casualty vents are

00:28:30.360 --> 00:28:32.940
carried out by boys in men
often in white.

00:28:33.697 --> 00:28:35.998
The capitol should not be
seeking to limit the

00:28:36.433 --> 00:28:38.634
community's about to defend
itself rather address the

00:28:40.700 --> 00:28:42.105
rotting culture that advocates
violence against vulnerable

00:28:42.105 --> 00:28:43.807
people.
Progress towards banning

00:28:44.542 --> 00:28:46.944
assault weapons will
negatively impact the most

00:28:46.944 --> 00:28:48.944
vulnerable communities from

00:28:49.780 --> 00:28:51.948
accessing the means to defend
themselves for violence and

00:28:52.316 --> 00:28:54.817
state violence especially
violence motivated by fear and

00:28:55.152 --> 00:28:57.152
hatred of muslims, immigrants,

00:28:58.689 --> 00:29:00.691
black and brown people and the
lgbgt community.

00:29:01.292 --> 00:29:03.828
The end result of gun control
measures is the further

00:29:03.828 --> 00:29:06.263
empowerment of the police
state, further incarceration

00:29:06.297 --> 00:29:08.297
of black and brown communities

00:29:10.100 --> 00:29:11.735
and people's subigation of
monopoly, which has and

00:29:12.536 --> 00:29:14.700
continue to fail to adequately
protect us.

00:29:14.772 --> 00:29:16.772
The history of gun control

00:29:16.907 --> 00:29:18.907
merges has always been rooted

00:29:19.311 --> 00:29:21.311
and racism and in its

00:29:21.746 --> 00:29:23.746
implementation has always

00:29:23.748 --> 00:29:25.748
reinforced racism.

00:29:25.883 --> 00:29:28.452
Wide fear of armed free slaves
motivated the first fear of

00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:31.121
gun control legislation and
enforcement in the pr era

00:29:31.789 --> 00:29:34.558
with aims to further limit
black ownership of firearms,

00:29:35.494 --> 00:29:37.194
especially to the black
panther parties activity,

00:29:37.996 --> 00:29:40.531
which was arming itself
against white supremacy and

00:29:41.660 --> 00:29:43.660
state violence.

00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:45.680
Measures to restrict firearms,

00:29:46.404 --> 00:29:48.205
access ignore a rich history
of armed community defense

00:29:48.573 --> 00:29:50.541
many of which have occurred in
north carolina.

00:29:52.578 --> 00:29:54.379
The dismal marine colony in
northeast north carolina was

00:29:55.514 --> 00:29:57.514
composed of run away slaves,

00:29:58.817 --> 00:30:00.817
servants and those in society

00:30:01.587 --> 00:30:03.587
deemed disposable against the

00:30:03.689 --> 00:30:05.590
institutions of slavery.
And.
[Inaudible]

00:30:06.625 --> 00:30:08.926
North carolina naacp robert f.
Williams helped organize the

00:30:09.662 --> 00:30:11.963
armed defense of non-violent
freedom rider from racist

00:30:12.565 --> 00:30:14.901
white pops and white moms that
beat and sot at the

00:30:14.901 --> 00:30:16.901
protesters.

00:30:17.536 --> 00:30:19.804
He subsequently helped
organize and armed efforts

00:30:20.272 --> 00:30:22.272
from over turning black

00:30:22.408 --> 00:30:24.709
neighborhoods in his area.
Indians unnorth carolina
successfully armed themselves

00:30:27.380 --> 00:30:29.380
against the kk, who sought to

00:30:31.518 --> 00:30:33.518
dominate and intimidate native

00:30:33.620 --> 00:30:35.721
americans.
Furthermore, incidents of

00:30:36.656 --> 00:30:38.523
violence onrise all across
america.
North carolina is no

00:30:38.858 --> 00:30:40.892
exception.
Especially with us harboring

00:30:41.727 --> 00:30:44.290
the most active and extreme
kkk chapter in the nation.

00:30:46.667 --> 00:30:48.300
Last year a rally against
communism in charlotte was

00:30:49.636 --> 00:30:51.636
scheduled to attract the same

00:30:53.678 --> 00:30:55.976
white supremacists groups that
organized charlotteville unite
the white an event that

00:30:55.976 --> 00:30:57.977
injured 30 people and killed
one protester.

00:30:58.511 --> 00:31:01.213
Greensboro could turn into a
charlotteville situation with

00:31:01.681 --> 00:31:03.918
a few monuments of our own,
one located downtown.

00:31:03.918 --> 00:31:06.853
In north carolina right now
there are several active hate

00:31:13.560 --> 00:31:15.528
groups such as the kkk,
patriot front, which have

00:31:15.829 --> 00:31:18.164
members in greensboro and all
of which help to organize and

00:31:20.334 --> 00:31:23.169
participate in the unite the
right demonstration in

00:31:23.271 --> 00:31:25.500
charlottesville advocating
violence against black and

00:31:25.673 --> 00:31:27.707
brown people and hopes in
other communities.

00:31:29.643 --> 00:31:31.978
In that context let's not also
forget greensboro failure to

00:31:31.979 --> 00:31:34.147
protect its sitvens.
All the time not forget that

00:31:36.116 --> 00:31:38.252
the beatings of Mr. Urous, and
jones, and charles.

00:31:39.454 --> 00:31:41.788
Let's not forget found to
racially profile black

00:31:41.789 --> 00:31:43.789
motorists for traffic stops.

00:31:44.525 --> 00:31:46.827
Let's not forget the glaring
example rooted in the

00:31:47.950 --> 00:31:49.463
greensboro massacre where the
protection tube grossly

00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.200
mishandled a kkk informant

00:31:55.203 --> 00:31:58.139
that led five people dead and
let's not forget the police

00:31:58.774 --> 00:32:00.775
escalation during the 1959
greensboro uprising.

00:32:01.443 --> 00:32:03.945
As such I'm here on behalf of
many folks from several

00:32:03.945 --> 00:32:05.945
different communities that

00:32:06.470 --> 00:32:08.449
will resist restricted access
to firearms in the face of

00:32:09.284 --> 00:32:11.585
real and material white
supremacists and state
sanctions violence.

00:32:12.421 --> 00:32:14.421
The focus should be on

00:32:14.523 --> 00:32:16.858
exposing an uprooted collusion
between state forces and

00:32:17.493 --> 00:32:19.493
racist organizations which

00:32:21.964 --> 00:32:23.564
keep alive hateful ideologies.
We agree we that you say

00:32:24.166 --> 00:32:26.967
something in our own community
but tht something is not

00:32:26.968 --> 00:32:29.603
cancelling a gun show o
shifting money to the program

00:32:30.806 --> 00:32:32.807
that did nothing to increase
the murder rate prior to the

00:32:34.243 --> 00:32:36.344
years it didn't exist.
Instead we believe our

00:32:36.345 --> 00:32:38.580
solutions lie in resource and
funded communities and empower

00:32:40.490 --> 00:32:42.490
to address anti-social

00:32:42.451 --> 00:32:45.186
behavior on their own instead
of taking that job to the

00:32:46.588 --> 00:32:49.324
police, which are rendered in
their ability to largely

00:32:54.263 --> 00:32:56.131
respond until after the fact.
Thank you.
[Applause]

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>> david hog said at the March

00:33:07.677 --> 00:33:10.546
for our live said vent last
week the cold grasp of

00:33:11.214 --> 00:33:13.480
corruption shackles the
district of columbia but the

00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:16.318
winter is over, change is
here, the sunshines on a new

00:33:18.188 --> 00:33:20.188
day and the day is ours.

00:33:20.323 --> 00:33:22.591
For too long greensboro has
hosted an annual gun and night

00:33:23.560 --> 00:33:25.995
show allowing people to take
advantage of the gun show

00:33:26.497 --> 00:33:29.198
loophole and bypass background
checks here in our own city.

00:33:29.233 --> 00:33:32.134
Not anymore.
For too long members of our

00:33:32.769 --> 00:33:35.571
government like senator tom
tillis have put the money of

00:33:36.406 --> 00:33:38.406
the gun lobby over the lives

00:33:38.542 --> 00:33:40.420
of their constituents, not
anymore.

00:33:40.544 --> 00:33:42.544
For too long ted bud has been

00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.382
in office representing us and
hasn't held a single town hall

00:33:47.218 --> 00:33:48.785
meeting to hear from his
district, not anymore.

00:33:50.354 --> 00:33:52.354
For too long the nra and its

00:33:52.389 --> 00:33:55.191
band of marryman have held
tightly to the asinine belief

00:33:55.692 --> 00:33:57.193
that more gun will keep the
society safe.

00:33:58.329 --> 00:34:01.298
Not anymore.
If you listen reel real close

00:34:01.999 --> 00:34:03.999
you can hear the nra shaking.

00:34:04.100 --> 00:34:06.336
Private party sellers are not
required to record their

00:34:07.572 --> 00:34:09.839
sales, run background checks
or even ask for identification

00:34:09.874 --> 00:34:11.874
when selling any type of

00:34:12.430 --> 00:34:15.110
weapon a a gun show.
That is not okay.

00:34:15.447 --> 00:34:17.848
96 people buy every day
because of guns in this

00:34:17.916 --> 00:34:20.417
country yet politicians on the
right continue to advocate for

00:34:22.220 --> 00:34:25.220
easier access to guns.
That is not okay.

00:34:25.757 --> 00:34:28.559
Because of bump stocks, 58
people were slaughtered and

00:34:29.394 --> 00:34:31.394
hundreds more appeared with

00:34:32.331 --> 00:34:33.998
bullets while attend ag
concert in los angeles over

00:34:34.466 --> 00:34:37.101
five months ago yet there is
still no federal law banning

00:34:38.300 --> 00:34:40.300
the sale or possession of bump

00:34:40.105 --> 00:34:42.406
stocks, that is not okay.
The President And the justice

00:34:42.507 --> 00:34:44.507
department have spent more

00:34:45.377 --> 00:34:47.545
time focusing on non-violent
drug related crime, nothing

00:34:49.140 --> 00:34:51.616
more than family veiled bought
to incarcerate minorities then

00:34:52.618 --> 00:34:54.618
they have spent focusing on

00:34:55.154 --> 00:34:57.589
gun violence in our country,
which inequally effect

00:34:57.990 --> 00:34:59.990
minorities, that is not okay.

00:35:00.125 --> 00:35:02.193
We are fed up with gun
violence in our schools, in

00:35:03.829 --> 00:35:05.829
our churches, in our malls, in

00:35:06.131 --> 00:35:08.533
our movie theaters, in our
communities, in our 58 in our
country.

00:35:09.350 --> 00:35:11.350
This issue of gun violence

00:35:11.738 --> 00:35:13.505
should have been solved after
columbine but congress in the

00:35:14.273 --> 00:35:15.774
pockets of the nra refused
toict a.

00:35:16.575 --> 00:35:18.209
Now the nra wants more guns in
our schools.

00:35:19.779 --> 00:35:21.779
They want to arm our teachers,

00:35:21.981 --> 00:35:23.981
we say enough is enough.

00:35:24.116 --> 00:35:26.819
I'm here to speak for 17
people from florida who no

00:35:26.853 --> 00:35:28.853
longer can speak because they

00:35:29.155 --> 00:35:31.490
were victims of gun violence.
I'm here to speak for my

00:35:32.225 --> 00:35:35.127
friends, family and for myself
because gun violence effects
us all.

00:35:37.964 --> 00:35:39.964
Some more than others.

00:35:41.000 --> 00:35:43.436
We say enough is enough.
The greensboro city concil

00:35:44.370 --> 00:35:46.370
should do everything in its

00:35:46.406 --> 00:35:49.275
power to ensure the safety of
its city which means

00:35:49.976 --> 00:35:51.510
cancelling the greensboro 51
knife show.

00:35:52.112 --> 00:35:54.347
We all know it's true.
Big guns are for people with

00:35:54.347 --> 00:35:56.782
small minds.
We can not allow a

00:35:57.830 --> 00:35:59.830
small-minded people in our

00:35:59.220 --> 00:36:01.488
society to use lobbying power
to get their way at the

00:36:02.857 --> 00:36:05.391
expense of our rives, not
anymore.
That snot okay.

00:36:06.994 --> 00:36:09.495
Enough is enough.
That's why we will vote in

00:36:10.764 --> 00:36:12.764
November and in 2020 and 2022

00:36:17.105 --> 00:36:19.105
and in 2036 when I can vote

00:36:22.243 --> 00:36:24.210
for gonzalez will vote for
politicians who take a stand

00:36:24.478 --> 00:36:27.470
against nra and gun violence.
If you're a politician from

00:36:27.515 --> 00:36:29.783
here at city hall all of the
way to the white house tat

00:36:30.170 --> 00:36:32.752
refuses to get on board with
protecting the safety of me

00:36:32.953 --> 00:36:35.589
and my classmates then get
your resume ready.

00:36:36.725 --> 00:36:39.920
We will vote.
We will not stop until every

00:36:39.561 --> 00:36:41.561
child can go to school without

00:36:42.563 --> 00:36:44.565
the fear of gun violence and
every parent can send them

00:36:44.832 --> 00:36:47.000
there without the burden of
that fear.

00:36:50.538 --> 00:36:52.538
my name is dominic patafi and

00:36:55.510 --> 00:36:56.877
I stand with the "never again"
movement.

00:37:01.160 --> 00:37:02.550
[Applause]
>> good evening.

00:37:04.185 --> 00:37:06.554
My name is erica paten.
I am new to the city of

00:37:06.554 --> 00:37:08.554
greensboro.

00:37:10.126 --> 00:37:12.126
I moved here in August 2016 to

00:37:13.162 --> 00:37:15.290
accept a position as an
assistant professor in the

00:37:15.798 --> 00:37:17.165
department of public health
education.

00:37:18.330 --> 00:37:20.735
So I really appreciate the
city council decision to give

00:37:21.236 --> 00:37:23.771
resident the opportunity to
share thoughts and concerns on

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gun and gun violence.

00:37:26.408 --> 00:37:28.408
But today I'm here only to

00:37:28.511 --> 00:37:30.511
share with you a few of the

00:37:30.646 --> 00:37:33.148
key concepts of gun violence
prevention based upn a public

00:37:34.884 --> 00:37:37.218
health approach but I have to
say my friends here have

00:37:37.219 --> 00:37:39.219
really said a lot of the

00:37:39.355 --> 00:37:41.355
things that I planned on

00:37:42.391 --> 00:37:44.759
saying and so I really applaud
everyone in this room for

00:37:44.928 --> 00:37:47.463
their bravery in sharing
thoughts and opinions on this

00:37:50.667 --> 00:37:53.201
subject.
Gun violence it is the leading

00:37:54.370 --> 00:37:55.604
cause of pre-mature death in
the united states.

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There are more than 38,000 gun

00:38:01.878 --> 00:38:03.579
deaths and 85,000 gun injuries
each year in the united states

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and for our data that we have

00:38:08.752 --> 00:38:10.752
here in north carolina in 2014

00:38:13.423 --> 00:38:16.325
there were 1,100 deaths in the
north carolina resident and

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two-3rds, close to 60% of all
violent deaths that occur in

00:38:19.263 --> 00:38:21.263
that year were caused by

00:38:22.700 --> 00:38:24.700
firearms.

00:38:24.702 --> 00:38:27.470
Suicide make up 63% of firearm
deaths follow by homicides,

00:38:29.773 --> 00:38:32.109
which contribute to nearly 33%
of all gun related deaths in

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north carolina.

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and this is also the case here

00:38:36.647 --> 00:38:38.647
in our county of guilford

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where suicide and homicides

00:38:40.885 --> 00:38:43.720
are among the leching cause
of injury related death.

00:38:44.121 --> 00:38:46.121
But my point here is not

00:38:46.190 --> 00:38:48.190
really for you to remember all

00:38:49.994 --> 00:38:52.295
of those numbers but rather
for you to understand

00:38:52.596 --> 00:38:55.310
regardless of race and
ethnicity gun violence is a

00:38:55.233 --> 00:38:58.168
public health issue for our
city, for our state and our

00:38:59.170 --> 00:39:01.170
country.

00:39:03.700 --> 00:39:04.608
It has devastating
consequences, health and

00:39:07.278 --> 00:39:09.279
economic laws for our united
states the child exposed to

00:39:10.314 --> 00:39:12.315
gun violence can have
detrimental mental health

00:39:12.384 --> 00:39:14.819
impacts for individuals as
well.

00:39:18.657 --> 00:39:20.959
They are so many issues to
consider when discussing gun

00:39:20.959 --> 00:39:22.959
violence.

00:39:23.495 --> 00:39:24.928
It can be a very divisive
conversation.

00:39:25.497 --> 00:39:27.497
It can illicit a lot of anger

00:39:29.168 --> 00:39:31.302
and animosity as well #.
But if you want to truly

00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.239
attack all of the issues
related to gun violence we

00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:36.239
must have comprehensive

00:39:37.276 --> 00:39:39.277
solutions to address the
support in public health

00:39:40.712 --> 00:39:43.481
issue.
But the private health

00:39:44.416 --> 00:39:46.416
approach to help include an

00:39:47.587 --> 00:39:50.288
agenda to remove a ban all
guns our country has a deep

00:39:50.423 --> 00:39:52.624
and long standing relationship
with guns.

00:39:52.992 --> 00:39:54.992
I myself group in a town where

00:39:56.162 --> 00:39:58.496
there was a strong hunting
culture however it is a goal

00:40:00.990 --> 00:40:02.733
of public health advocates to
promote gun violence

00:40:03.836 --> 00:40:05.170
prevention and to promote gun
safety.

00:40:06.506 --> 00:40:09.700
This means adopting and imp
l.Ing intervention such as

00:40:09.809 --> 00:40:12.411
policy laws and programs to
create a culture that ensures

00:40:16.883 --> 00:40:18.883
safety and well being for all.

00:40:19.618 --> 00:40:21.987
In my time here in greensboro
also known for gun shows and

00:40:22.556 --> 00:40:24.657
it is my understanding this is
in part why this special

00:40:26.192 --> 00:40:28.994
session was called.
Again, as an advocate my goal

00:40:29.462 --> 00:40:31.196
is to offer thoughts on how to
promote the safety of

00:40:31.464 --> 00:40:33.365
greensboro and surrounding
area residents.

00:40:33.767 --> 00:40:35.767
Gun shows receive criticism

00:40:36.603 --> 00:40:38.603
related to gun shows loopholes

00:40:39.239 --> 00:40:41.240
or privately held loop
holessism gun show loop holes

00:40:41.442 --> 00:40:43.976
are a threat to the public
safety because they increase

00:40:45.279 --> 00:40:47.513
the opportunity for prohibited
individuals to purchase and

00:40:49.449 --> 00:40:51.449
then have access to guns.

00:40:52.986 --> 00:40:55.355
This could lead to unfortunate
, untimely and

00:40:55.355 --> 00:40:57.824
unnecessary sue sides and
homicides.

00:40:58.659 --> 00:41:00.894
I have include adhandout in
front of you if you want to

00:41:01.429 --> 00:41:03.429
know more about the gun show

00:41:04.131 --> 00:41:06.466
loop holes, a handout provided
through the coalition to stop

00:41:07.134 --> 00:41:09.469
gun violence.
To address gun show loop holes

00:41:10.671 --> 00:41:12.671
and increase the safety in our

00:41:14.108 --> 00:41:16.108
city for wrong and old alike

00:41:16.444 --> 00:41:18.478
serp laws, including
purchasing a gun or as my

00:41:19.981 --> 00:41:22.500
friend has stated requiring
universal background checks

00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:24.500
have been shown to be

00:41:24.318 --> 00:41:26.319
effective in closing the loop
hole.

00:41:27.755 --> 00:41:29.889
The public health gun violence
prevention is not just about

00:41:32.994 --> 00:41:35.130
stricting gun laws and
policies.
It is about creating

00:41:35.130 --> 00:41:37.731
environments, providing
opportunities for community

00:41:39.167 --> 00:41:41.167
empowerment and promoting the

00:41:42.504 --> 00:41:43.871
health and well being of its
community.

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Just one example of an
intervention found to be

00:41:48.476 --> 00:41:51.379
reducing community violencism
so again I would truly like to

00:41:51.713 --> 00:41:53.881
thank city council for
allowing residents to have

00:41:54.249 --> 00:41:57.510
this time today.
My final comments would be to

00:41:57.986 --> 00:41:59.986
ask city council to support

00:42:01.323 --> 00:42:03.290
comprehensive public health
strategies to address in gun

00:42:05.260 --> 00:42:07.462
violence like universal
background checks, increasing

00:42:09.598 --> 00:42:11.598
access to mental health care

00:42:13.235 --> 00:42:15.871
services and lastly supporting
collaborations between
community residents,

00:42:15.871 --> 00:42:17.839
stakeholders, practitioners
and decision makers like

00:42:18.507 --> 00:42:21.209
yourselves to work together to
implement gun violence

00:42:22.744 --> 00:42:25.348
prevention strategies that
represent all of the community
here in greensboro.

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>> thank you.

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[Applause]

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>> as Mr. Stevens coming to

00:42:34.957 --> 00:42:37.425
the podium I have a jonathan
hal sign up and a bunch of

00:42:38.394 --> 00:42:40.228
sign ups with no topbs written
on them so if you want to talk

00:42:43.667 --> 00:42:45.667
about guns or the gun show

00:42:46.736 --> 00:42:49.605
please line up and give us
your napes after jonathan

00:42:49.806 --> 00:42:52.541
halissism Mr. Stevens.
>> good evening Ms. Mayor,

00:42:53.243 --> 00:42:55.877
members of the city council,
city staff and visitors to

00:42:56.979 --> 00:42:58.513
council chambers.
Andy stevens.

00:43:00.651 --> 00:43:02.952
It is a pleasure to be again
to dress the council not only

00:43:04.187 --> 00:43:06.187
as a citizen but representing

00:43:06.323 --> 00:43:08.624
grassroots north carolina,
members, leadership and

00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:13.395
official capacity of gnc's
director of local government
affairs.

00:43:14.597 --> 00:43:16.265
It seems our ciy council
suchers with constitutional

00:43:17.670 --> 00:43:19.469
rights and freedoms with
prejudices raft than
proclaiming them with pride.

00:43:20.171 --> 00:43:22.672
I will not let this go
unchallengeddism as a veteran

00:43:23.407 --> 00:43:25.643
who swore my first oath to
support and defend the

00:43:25.643 --> 00:43:28.544
constitution of the united
states at the age of 17 and

00:43:29.780 --> 00:43:32.481
who at that same time and age
wrote my blank check payable

00:43:32.783 --> 00:43:34.783
to uncle sam up to and

00:43:35.190 --> 00:43:37.621
including my debt I have found
noble purpose defending and

00:43:37.855 --> 00:43:39.756
safe guarding the
constitutional rights and

00:43:40.691 --> 00:43:43.494
freedps available to us all.
After all my oath has no

00:43:43.494 --> 00:43:45.494
expiration date.

00:43:47.640 --> 00:43:49.532
I count my friends as the
millions of carolinians who

00:43:51.302 --> 00:43:53.302
own firearms and 650,000 of us

00:43:53.638 --> 00:43:56.507
who possess a valid concealed
permit.
Certain members of this

00:43:56.975 --> 00:43:58.976
council apparently hold an
opposite and hypocritical view

00:43:59.711 --> 00:44:02.450
of the rights I cherish.
I remember when several

00:44:02.180 --> 00:44:04.180
current members present here

00:44:04.549 --> 00:44:06.983
today displays your collective
distain and contempt for the

00:44:07.919 --> 00:44:10.210
rule of law pertaining to the
citizens right to bear arms.

00:44:10.656 --> 00:44:12.957
At that time the matter before
this council was regulating

00:44:14.590 --> 00:44:16.594
firearms in public pangs.
As I recall these members

00:44:18.230 --> 00:44:20.231
spoke with vitriol and
contempt and to that night

00:44:21.833 --> 00:44:23.434
vote against the ordinance
remarking they would not

00:44:25.670 --> 00:44:27.806
accept it, despite the law
mandating it be so.

00:44:28.440 --> 00:44:30.975
Recently Ms. Mayor you made
clear your desire if only you

00:44:31.577 --> 00:44:33.577
were a dictator and not

00:44:33.612 --> 00:44:35.612
subject to law to maliciously

00:44:40.786 --> 00:44:43.540
shut down a profitable, RECURxGxGxGxGxGxGxg
coliseum.
Your comments supported by

00:44:43.388 --> 00:44:46.240
other members of this council
continued until the city

00:44:46.250 --> 00:44:47.759
attorney brought you all back
to our real world.

00:44:49.261 --> 00:44:51.963
The mayor is no a dictator.
The city council cannot throw

00:44:52.231 --> 00:44:54.466
out an exhibitor because it
does not like the product

00:44:55.434 --> 00:44:57.434
thore purpose of an event.

00:44:57.469 --> 00:44:59.469
This mayor and this council

00:45:00.720 --> 00:45:02.608
once again must obey the law.
The north carolina general

00:45:05.211 --> 00:45:07.211
assembly enacted pre-empttion

00:45:07.447 --> 00:45:10.382
laws over the years for
situations like this.

00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:13.919
Municipalities and
jurisdictions continually try

00:45:14.153 --> 00:45:16.153
to distinguish freedom all of

00:45:18.959 --> 00:45:20.760
the time.
Grassroots north carolina has

00:45:21.361 --> 00:45:23.361
defended our freedom said.

00:45:23.897 --> 00:45:26.832
We use pre-emptative relief to
see local jurisdictions pay

00:45:28.969 --> 00:45:31.360
full legal cost when striking
down their legal overreach in

00:45:31.271 --> 00:45:33.907
the courts.
Tonight I'm confident that the

00:45:33.907 --> 00:45:36.310
greensboro gun shows will
continue on schedule and

00:45:36.310 --> 00:45:38.278
without interruption.
As a result I look forward to

00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:40.679
returning to this summer's gun

00:45:41.715 --> 00:45:43.916
show in search of a brgain or
something hard to find

00:45:45.452 --> 00:45:47.153
mingling with law-abiding
citizens taking advantage of

00:45:47.855 --> 00:45:50.589
the free market to buy and
sell legal goods without

00:45:51.910 --> 00:45:53.910
government interference.

00:45:53.326 --> 00:45:55.428
Not only do the event
exhibitors and people of the

00:45:55.663 --> 00:45:56.963
sit a of greensboro benefit as
well.

00:45:59.300 --> 00:46:01.300
The thousands of semi-annual

00:46:01.359 --> 00:46:03.636
visitors at the greensboro gun
show spend their money here in
the city and the county.

00:46:05.272 --> 00:46:07.272
A public information request

00:46:07.808 --> 00:46:10.109
I've recently obtained
documents of positive

00:46:10.110 --> 00:46:12.179
financial impacts these gun
shows prduce over the last

00:46:12.847 --> 00:46:14.615
four years, something this
council should appreciate and

00:46:15.183 --> 00:46:17.385
thank the exhibitor for rather
than calling for his

00:46:17.385 --> 00:46:20.320
termination.
Our mayor and our city council

00:46:21.550 --> 00:46:23.790
should not despairage or
denigrate proper events that

00:46:24.692 --> 00:46:26.727
draw large numbers of lawful
visitors to greensboro.

00:46:26.727 --> 00:46:28.727
Finally, I find it necessary

00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.500
to explain a word I used in my
opening remarks to this
council.

00:46:34.135 --> 00:46:36.904
That word is defined as people
whose, as belite stated

00:46:38.540 --> 00:46:40.400
beliefs, the word is
hypocrites.

00:46:40.842 --> 00:46:43.777
Members well practiced in the
liberal mant raw of do as I

00:46:44.579 --> 00:46:46.579
saw and not as I do.

00:46:46.615 --> 00:46:48.816
I refer members of this
council possess firearms and

00:46:49.510 --> 00:46:51.719
carry concealed handguns.
The greater public May not be

00:46:53.210 --> 00:46:55.723
aware several of you profess
gun control while carrying

00:46:56.224 --> 00:46:58.224
concealed firearms by nature

00:46:58.460 --> 00:47:00.761
and habit yourselves.
Perhaps you should make clear

00:47:00.996 --> 00:47:02.996
what you expect for othericize

00:47:02.998 --> 00:47:04.398
not what you do for
yourselves.

00:47:05.935 --> 00:47:08.870
You should be thank fall
several years ago demanded the

00:47:11.730 --> 00:47:14.800
legislature make confidential
the records of concealed

00:47:15.978 --> 00:47:18.312
carry, or addresses in the
that you see that you see
greensboro news and record for

00:47:21.217 --> 00:47:23.217
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{

00:47:30.259 --> 00:47:33.161
[Applause]
Good evening.
Dorse man.

00:47:35.698 --> 00:47:37.265
i'm a psycho therapist at
carolina psychological

00:47:38.134 --> 00:47:40.134
associates and I'm one of the

00:47:40.737 --> 00:47:43.720
organizer for the trial that's
going to be on April 13th of

00:47:45.508 --> 00:47:47.843
this moth.
I wish I could come in here

00:47:48.945 --> 00:47:51.547
and definitively state that
there is a correlation between

00:47:51.581 --> 00:47:53.581
mental illness and gun

00:47:55.418 --> 00:47:57.418
violence but I can't.

00:47:59.456 --> 00:48:01.456
I can't because we don't know.

00:48:01.458 --> 00:48:03.458
We haven't had well fuded

00:48:03.493 --> 00:48:06.950
completely objective research
on anything to do with guns

00:48:07.130 --> 00:48:09.130
and gun violence in the past

00:48:13.690 --> 00:48:15.710
22 years.
That's due to the dickey

00:48:15.406 --> 00:48:18.174
amendment.
That amendment was passed 22

00:48:21.478 --> 00:48:23.478
years ago before my daughter

00:48:24.810 --> 00:48:26.883
was born and has only been
recently reversed just as she

00:48:32.490 --> 00:48:35.459
is graduating from college.
That's tool years of no

00:48:35.493 --> 00:48:38.261
research, no longitudinal
research that will allow us to

00:48:39.130 --> 00:48:41.130
know if there is a correlation

00:48:42.533 --> 00:48:43.900
between hental illness and gun
violence.

00:48:45.970 --> 00:48:47.970
Anything that we talk about is

00:48:53.845 --> 00:48:56.780
just anecdotal.
Dickey was regretting that he

00:48:58.383 --> 00:49:00.383
had that amendment passed.

00:49:04.550 --> 00:49:06.550
He died before it was revised.

00:49:06.658 --> 00:49:08.658
It wasn't until the very

00:49:09.194 --> 00:49:11.194
recent spending bill that the

00:49:11.997 --> 00:49:13.997
center of disease control were

00:49:18.470 --> 00:49:21.372
allowed to resume the search
but with no encouragement or
funding.

00:49:21.406 --> 00:49:23.874
I can tell you the mental
health of each person in our

00:49:26.378 --> 00:49:28.790
city has improved with each
success and generation.

00:49:31.817 --> 00:49:33.817
It is sort of like the flynn

00:49:33.919 --> 00:49:35.820
effect with IQs, each
generation is smarter than the

00:49:37.422 --> 00:49:39.422
one before.

00:49:39.491 --> 00:49:42.194
We're also healthier than the
ones before.

00:49:43.730 --> 00:49:45.931
We're not mentally healthy,
we're not mentally healthier

00:49:46.933 --> 00:49:48.967
than our parents and
grandparents because we

00:49:49.368 --> 00:49:51.368
thinkquy differently from

00:49:54.407 --> 00:49:56.407
them, act any differently from

00:49:56.742 --> 00:49:58.977
them or piers, we're healthier
because we live in better

00:49:59.479 --> 00:50:02.810
times.
There are better times that

00:50:02.816 --> 00:50:04.816
have brought to us by improved

00:50:05.952 --> 00:50:07.952
education, improved public

00:50:12.325 --> 00:50:14.325
health and safety, laws and

00:50:15.963 --> 00:50:17.963
regulations more potential for

00:50:18.465 --> 00:50:21.670
a connection with each other
and more potential for a

00:50:21.601 --> 00:50:23.601
pursuit of what is meaningful

00:50:26.540 --> 00:50:29.441
in our lives.
Again we haven't done that

00:50:31.711 --> 00:50:34.120
much to take credit for how
much healthier we are.

00:50:34.215 --> 00:50:36.215
Our circumstances have

00:50:36.550 --> 00:50:38.550
improved.

00:50:44.240 --> 00:50:46.192
If I was put in charge I would
identify folks who have pure

00:50:47.728 --> 00:50:49.728
impulse control, who get

00:50:49.763 --> 00:50:51.763
emotionally hijacked, who are

00:50:54.302 --> 00:50:56.302
just downright scary, and I

00:50:57.238 --> 00:50:59.472
would offer them cognitive
behavioral therapy that would

00:51:03.770 --> 00:51:05.770
help them bay way of the

00:51:07.114 --> 00:51:09.114
cognitive part to address

00:51:09.417 --> 00:51:11.417
their irrational wart, selfish

00:51:12.454 --> 00:51:14.454
thinking and their problems

00:51:15.890 --> 00:51:17.890
with emotional revelation and

00:51:17.792 --> 00:51:20.360
anger management and the
behavioral part of that would

00:51:22.463 --> 00:51:24.865
be more important however.
I would help people get

00:51:28.203 --> 00:51:30.938
support in changing their
circumstances.

00:51:33.175 --> 00:51:35.810
Poverty, poor jobs prospects.
Stressers, that's the kind

00:51:38.780 --> 00:51:40.780
that effect all of my clients,

00:51:41.149 --> 00:51:42.649
the 167 hours of the week that
I don't see them.

00:51:43.619 --> 00:51:45.619
If I'm lucky I get to see them

00:51:48.424 --> 00:51:50.858
one hour, they have 167 hours
in a week to be confront would

00:51:53.762 --> 00:51:55.762
the stressers that they have.

00:51:56.980 --> 00:51:59.330
All those things outside of my
office is what drives their

00:52:01.437 --> 00:52:03.438
behavior.
That's another thing I would

00:52:05.474 --> 00:52:07.108
say to anyone who says mental
illness isn't a problem.

00:52:09.311 --> 00:52:11.311
The person that's experiencing

00:52:13.649 --> 00:52:15.984
mental illness isn't the
problem they are in a problem.

00:52:20.223 --> 00:52:22.223
The problem has them.

00:52:22.459 --> 00:52:24.126
All they can do is learn thew
navigate through their world

00:52:24.961 --> 00:52:27.863
and community.
What I'm hoping this council

00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.872
will do support what is
necessary in order to take
advantage of the numerous

00:52:38.909 --> 00:52:41.143
colleges and universities here
and take advantage of these

00:52:41.511 --> 00:52:43.511
opportunities to learn more

00:52:43.747 --> 00:52:45.747
about the correlation between

00:52:46.282 --> 00:52:47.883
mental illness and gun
violence prevention.

00:52:54.425 --> 00:52:56.693
Thank you.
[Applause]

00:52:58.762 --> 00:53:00.763
>> good evening.
Thanks again for having this

00:53:02.533 --> 00:53:04.967
open forummism I think it's
great.
I wasn't actually planning to

00:53:06.370 --> 00:53:08.904
speak tonight but I'm
impassioned by everything I've
heard.

00:53:09.500 --> 00:53:11.407
>> have you signed up to
speak?
>> I did.

00:53:13.144 --> 00:53:15.144
Okay can we have your name?

00:53:15.546 --> 00:53:17.546
>> jonathan alice.

00:53:19.250 --> 00:53:21.250
>> thank you.

00:53:23.530 --> 00:53:25.530
So one curiosity is why is it

00:53:25.155 --> 00:53:27.590
an official agenda item.
I foun that interesting.

00:53:27.658 --> 00:53:30.161
I think it ought to be
document in the record and

00:53:30.161 --> 00:53:33.300
maybe we could have had an
even better turnout but this

00:53:33.665 --> 00:53:35.632
is a topic that's very
important that we need more

00:53:36.534 --> 00:53:39.200
and more conversation about
and I don't think any of us

00:53:39.300 --> 00:53:41.300
here tonight know what all of

00:53:41.272 --> 00:53:43.840
the right answers are but I
think my key message tonight

00:53:46.478 --> 00:53:48.479
and I'll be brief is we need
to act.

00:53:49.114 --> 00:53:51.114
Waiting, doing nothing is no

00:53:51.149 --> 00:53:53.149
longer acceptable and I think

00:53:53.718 --> 00:53:55.718
we can all be energized by

00:53:56.888 --> 00:53:59.389
what we've heard tonight on
both sides as well as all of
the stun, the young people

00:53:59.891 --> 00:54:01.891
from across the country who

00:54:03.662 --> 00:54:05.662
have taken upn themselves to

00:54:06.498 --> 00:54:08.498
really raise the energy revel

00:54:09.101 --> 00:54:11.536
on this very important topic
where my generation has not

00:54:11.570 --> 00:54:14.710
been able to do that.
Some of you are of my

00:54:14.720 --> 00:54:16.707
generation for whatever reason
and I don't want to go there

00:54:17.342 --> 00:54:19.743
but we've been appalled, I
think equally appalled, I

00:54:20.245 --> 00:54:22.881
think equally appalled but we
haven't been able to act and

00:54:23.820 --> 00:54:25.820
suddenly there is a oment in

00:54:26.419 --> 00:54:28.419
what I've seen in business is

00:54:28.454 --> 00:54:30.522
these moments don't come that
often and if you seize them

00:54:32.491 --> 00:54:34.892
and act one thing leads to
another thing and more

00:54:35.527 --> 00:54:37.829
conversation and more good
ideas and maybe some of the

00:54:38.164 --> 00:54:40.966
ideas we implement aren't
really that good and we have

00:54:41.670 --> 00:54:43.670
to stop them that's okay.

00:54:44.103 --> 00:54:46.103
But seize the moment and act

00:54:46.239 --> 00:54:49.141
and ending the gun show that's
not going to be sustainable

00:54:49.509 --> 00:54:51.509
because we need industry, we

00:54:51.611 --> 00:54:53.611
need business, we need that

00:54:53.612 --> 00:54:55.580
for our community but it is a
start and then we can figure

00:54:56.349 --> 00:54:58.350
out how to put gn
registration in place for

00:54:58.618 --> 00:55:00.618
everyone attending the gun

00:55:03.890 --> 00:55:05.724
show you can turn it back on
again.
But act, act.

00:55:06.626 --> 00:55:08.626
That's my message today doing

00:55:09.862 --> 00:55:12.764
nothing is not acceptable.
Let's start a small movement

00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:15.702
here in greensboro, put the
city on the map.

00:55:16.804 --> 00:55:19.605
Put this council on the map of
saying we want to do something

00:55:20.540 --> 00:55:23.750
and this is just the first
step in many, many to come.

00:55:26.179 --> 00:55:28.179
Thank you.

00:55:30.818 --> 00:55:32.818
[Applause]

00:55:36.457 --> 00:55:38.457
My name is christopher oats,

00:55:39.426 --> 00:55:41.895
the winston-salem for north
carolina.
I have worked in a school

00:55:43.630 --> 00:55:45.498
before I moved on to what I do
now.
And despite the fact that I

00:55:46.366 --> 00:55:48.366
have taken advanced training

00:55:49.404 --> 00:55:52.239
classes from everyone from a
member of the sodey fifth

00:55:53.808 --> 00:55:55.808
regimen to marine sniper my

00:55:57.245 --> 00:55:59.714
least qualified instructor wa
six year veteran from the

00:55:59.714 --> 00:56:01.815
police officer.
Special in defense law, and

00:56:02.350 --> 00:56:04.751
yet fo all of this advanced
training the second I set foot

00:56:05.987 --> 00:56:07.987
on to a college or other

00:56:08.423 --> 00:56:10.157
educational campus it somehow
magically doesn't count

00:56:10.725 --> 00:56:13.560
anymore and I'm no longer
trusted to have the same

00:56:13.928 --> 00:56:15.329
firearm on me I carry ever
where else.

00:56:16.397 --> 00:56:19.132
This is the height of the
absurdity.
Every one of these spree

00:56:19.567 --> 00:56:21.668
killingings that takes place
from aurora, colorado where

00:56:25.507 --> 00:56:28.900
the shooter chose not too the
theater close to say where he

00:56:28.644 --> 00:56:30.645
lived he chose one that was a
posted gun free zone.

00:56:32.981 --> 00:56:35.716
And I till everyone I meet, I
say if any one of us knew we

00:56:37.252 --> 00:56:39.520
were going to some place these
were going to target we would

00:56:40.255 --> 00:56:42.991
have stayed home or called out
that day.
We won't know.

00:56:43.459 --> 00:56:45.894
the only thing we can do is
react to their insanity.

00:56:47.229 --> 00:56:49.764
When we wake up in the morning
our thoughts are we've got to

00:56:50.866 --> 00:56:53.701
get chicken thighs on sale, go
to the post office, pay the

00:56:54.403 --> 00:56:56.403
phone ilb. Those are the

00:56:56.738 --> 00:56:59.541
thoughts in our mind but the
killer plans and premeditates.

00:57:00.176 --> 00:57:02.210
When he wakes up that day he
knows exactly what he is going

00:57:02.945 --> 00:57:04.945
to do and the only thing we

00:57:05.248 --> 00:57:07.248
can do is react to their
insanity and staff on-site,

00:57:09.185 --> 00:57:11.185
such as myself, are disarmed

00:57:13.122 --> 00:57:15.122
we can't do that effectively

00:57:15.759 --> 00:57:17.759
except for the coach in

00:57:19.195 --> 00:57:21.195
florida who used his own body

00:57:21.498 --> 00:57:24.333
to shield students.
Section 14-409 section d

00:57:25.468 --> 00:57:27.869
states no county or
municipality by zoning or

00:57:29.720 --> 00:57:31.720
other ordinance shall regulate

00:57:32.441 --> 00:57:34.777
in any manner firearm shows
shows more stringent that the

00:57:35.946 --> 00:57:37.246
than those applying to other
items.

00:57:38.882 --> 00:57:41.450
Ms. Vaughan is on record
saying I'll see if we have the

00:57:42.919 --> 00:57:44.919
ability to regulate what's

00:57:46.723 --> 00:57:48.991
sold, if not we'll close THExwxw
also due to legislation passed

00:57:49.926 --> 00:57:51.926
in 2015 we would have grounds

00:57:52.129 --> 00:57:54.865
not only to sue but to be
reimbursed for legal fees and

00:57:54.865 --> 00:57:57.567
court costs.
She admits that cancelling the

00:57:58.202 --> 00:58:00.536
gun show is to attempt to
regulate what is sold and

00:58:01.338 --> 00:58:03.390
clear evidence gun shows
regulated differently from

00:58:03.974 --> 00:58:05.941
other shows, this is patently
illegal.

00:58:07.277 --> 00:58:09.277
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00:58:17.588 --> 00:58:19.588
[Applause]

00:58:22.426 --> 00:58:23.760
>> the idea of gun -- name and
address.

00:58:25.950 --> 00:58:27.965
>> speaker caniah adon.
>> have you signed up?

00:58:29.300 --> 00:58:31.300
>> I have not, I'm speaking on

00:58:32.570 --> 00:58:34.570
behalf of caniah adon.

00:58:34.772 --> 00:58:37.107
>> you signed up.
>> okay.
The idea of gun control isn't

00:58:37.642 --> 00:58:40.143
one of taking away guns it is
an idea of lessening people's

00:58:41.245 --> 00:58:43.482
ability to take away lives.
Ideas and legislation is what

00:58:43.482 --> 00:58:45.482
we need.

00:58:45.484 --> 00:58:47.484
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00:59:06.505 --> 00:59:08.505
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00:59:08.540 --> 00:59:11.175
weed need you to stretch in
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00:59:11.610 --> 00:59:13.611
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people who won't listen to us

00:59:14.446 --> 00:59:15.813
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seriously.

00:59:16.681 --> 00:59:18.582
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00:59:19.180 --> 00:59:21.180
your mayors, we had the tools,

00:59:21.354 --> 00:59:23.555
the ideas and the education
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01:00:25.986 --> 01:00:28.200
>> terrence mohammed.
>> go ahead.

01:00:31.759 --> 01:00:33.759
>> my name is portia shareman,

01:00:34.161 --> 01:00:35.562
3814 brant lake court
greensboro.

01:00:37.798 --> 01:00:39.798
I'm coming here today as a

01:00:40.801 --> 01:00:43.136
domestic violence advocate and
hearing about the gun show and

01:00:43.203 --> 01:00:45.203
everybody was talking about it

01:00:47.575 --> 01:00:49.575
I just wanted to say this.

01:00:49.610 --> 01:00:51.610
Domestic violence most I would

01:00:55.349 --> 01:00:57.350
say about 95 is 99% of
violence that is caused

01:00:57.752 --> 01:00:59.386
through domestic violence is
through guns.

01:01:02.423 --> 01:01:04.458
The gun situation needs to be
stopped but that's not why I'm

01:01:05.160 --> 01:01:07.160
here today but it does so I

01:01:09.698 --> 01:01:12.533
just wanted to say that 99%
victims is through guns.

01:01:15.700 --> 01:01:17.304
I'm here to actually say that
i have joined in with the city

01:01:19.107 --> 01:01:21.509
of greensboro to do something
that we need to be, tht

01:01:21.944 --> 01:01:24.746
needed to be done a long time
ago and this initiative is

01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:27.280
called the choose peace

01:01:27.883 --> 01:01:29.883
greensboro initiative.

01:01:30.319 --> 01:01:32.319
This weekend we will be having

01:01:34.856 --> 01:01:36.856
a city wide rally.

01:01:36.958 --> 01:01:38.958
This city wide rally and

01:01:39.195 --> 01:01:41.596
resource fair is catered
towards community to feel like

01:01:44.133 --> 01:01:46.134
the city is not hearing them
enough about the different

01:01:48.404 --> 01:01:50.404
concerns going on in the city

01:01:50.806 --> 01:01:52.340
especially in the african
american community.

01:01:53.242 --> 01:01:56.177
I have partnered with the city
of greensboro parks and

01:01:56.913 --> 01:01:59.648
recreation to hve this event
done.
The clsest time for us to let

01:02:01.951 --> 01:02:03.951
our leaders know that we care.

01:02:04.987 --> 01:02:07.589
On April the seventh from
2:00 to 5:00 a free event at

01:02:09.125 --> 01:02:11.125
center park 200 north elm

01:02:11.660 --> 01:02:13.963
street where we would join in
with music, spoken words,

01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.000
special speakers and more to

01:02:19.135 --> 01:02:21.236
show we support what goes on
in our community.

01:02:23.173 --> 01:02:25.174
We're tired of the violence.
Enough is enough is enough.

01:02:27.100 --> 01:02:29.745
We want to do more to show
that peace is the solution but

01:02:29.979 --> 01:02:32.583
where do we get the solution
we have to come and join in

01:02:32.583 --> 01:02:34.583
with our city.

01:02:34.618 --> 01:02:37.386
We can not do it by ourselves.
Let the city of greensboro be

01:02:40.557 --> 01:02:42.557
a martyr of saying that we

01:02:42.993 --> 01:02:44.993
care about our community and

01:02:50.100 --> 01:02:52.100
residents, african american

01:02:57.408 --> 01:02:59.408
community it is important I

01:03:00.110 --> 01:03:02.645
come here so we can so I could
at least let people know that

01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:05.515
this event is happening.
If you have a word, if you

01:03:06.684 --> 01:03:08.684
have something you want to say

01:03:10.221 --> 01:03:12.221
contact me in some type of way

01:03:14.692 --> 01:03:16.359
we have a Facebook page,
message me if you would like

01:03:16.694 --> 01:03:18.694
to speak because this is the

01:03:21.310 --> 01:03:23.310
time we're tired of all of

01:03:30.208 --> 01:03:32.208
this stuff going ones to

01:03:32.310 --> 01:03:34.310
promote peace, justice and

01:03:38.683 --> 01:03:40.751
dignity for all people.
That's what choose peace is
about.

01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.921
And that's why I stay here and
that's what I like to see done

01:03:44.756 --> 01:03:46.590
and that's why I'm asking the
city to support.

01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:49.920
I know mayor you have offered

01:03:50.395 --> 01:03:52.395
to be a speaker that day and I

01:03:52.464 --> 01:03:54.464
know sharon that you would be

01:03:57.202 --> 01:04:00.400
there and mary k an you are
all welcome but this day is

01:04:00.172 --> 01:04:02.874
about citizens, it is about
the people who are feeling

01:04:05.911 --> 01:04:08.380
like nobody is listening.
I want you to come out and see
them.

01:04:08.380 --> 01:04:11.148
I want you to come out and
listen to them.

01:04:12.584 --> 01:04:14.584
So that we can find solutions

01:04:16.122 --> 01:04:18.122
in this greensboro community

01:04:18.124 --> 01:04:20.959
to make greensboro a winner, a
win-win situation for all of
us.

01:04:21.294 --> 01:04:23.294
Thank you so muchism.

01:04:31.170 --> 01:04:33.170
[Applause]

01:04:33.173 --> 01:04:35.808
Terrence mohammed 915 dunbar
street and for the record I do

01:04:36.409 --> 01:04:39.440
not own a weapon, I do not
carry a weapon and there is no

01:04:41.800 --> 01:04:43.649
weapons in my home, that's
what the chief will put that

01:04:47.190 --> 01:04:49.190
on record.

01:04:51.558 --> 01:04:53.726
Just for the record.
I wasn't going to speak but I

01:04:53.994 --> 01:04:56.228
know this is going to be
played over and over again and

01:04:56.496 --> 01:04:59.365
what I didn't hear and what I
wanted to lift up is for all

01:04:59.666 --> 01:05:02.350
of those brothers and sisters
that are in the community and

01:05:02.350 --> 01:05:03.869
particularly in the black
community that deal with gun

01:05:05.105 --> 01:05:07.673
violence on a day-to-day basis
and I represent all lives and

01:05:08.542 --> 01:05:11.177
any lives that have been taken
by gun violence as precis and

01:05:11.178 --> 01:05:12.845
we should honor that and
respect that and remember

01:05:13.480 --> 01:05:16.349
those lives that was lost but
it is kind of hard for me to

01:05:17.251 --> 01:05:19.585
stand here as we talk about
gun violence and no one was

01:05:20.254 --> 01:05:22.655
talk about gun violence and
plaque people keep dying day

01:05:24.910 --> 01:05:26.910
in and day out in the streets

01:05:26.394 --> 01:05:28.394
of america across the contry.

01:05:28.996 --> 01:05:31.970
When blacks ar killed by gun
violence as well as watching

01:05:31.832 --> 01:05:33.733
stefon clark and we're
watching all of the trayvon

01:05:35.790 --> 01:05:37.504
martin, brown and we're
watching gun violence
perpetrated on black youth.

01:05:38.172 --> 01:05:40.640
So I just wanted that to be on
the record so when people come

01:05:40.741 --> 01:05:43.760
back and look about the
discussion of gun violence

01:05:44.790 --> 01:05:46.790
black community issues of gun

01:05:46.114 --> 01:05:48.715
violence was not written out.
My organization, hip-hop

01:05:49.170 --> 01:05:51.351
carcass was one of the
organizer of March for our

01:05:51.753 --> 01:05:53.753
live in washington, D.C.

01:05:53.888 --> 01:05:56.523
We brought kevin durant's
mother, wanda durant and we

01:05:56.757 --> 01:05:58.757
brought big meant to chicago

01:05:59.126 --> 01:06:01.126
resident and a hip-hop artist

01:06:02.898 --> 01:06:04.898
who literally just got off

01:06:05.500 --> 01:06:07.501
tour with jay-z to talk to 80
volunteers we help to train to

01:06:10.572 --> 01:06:11.872
get people to register to
vote.

01:06:12.807 --> 01:06:15.430
We want to make sure that we
don't have demonstration

01:06:15.430 --> 01:06:17.544
without legislation because
that will lead to frustration

01:06:19.715 --> 01:06:22.517
meaning that we want to make
tour we get young people
registered to vote to change

01:06:22.518 --> 01:06:24.485
the policies and legislation
that are in government.

01:06:25.454 --> 01:06:27.788
I grew up with guns that dozen
mean I own guns.

01:06:28.390 --> 01:06:31.125
so I'm notith foing about
taking the gun show away

01:06:31.526 --> 01:06:33.527
because we understand that the
mentality of america is to

01:06:34.162 --> 01:06:37.980
kill then you'll find a way to
kill.
If you don't see us as living

01:06:37.990 --> 01:06:39.990
creatures and human beings.

01:06:40.236 --> 01:06:42.270
So the issue of gun violence
doesn't just stop with gun

01:06:42.338 --> 01:06:44.606
violence and somebody getting
shot but it also means that

01:06:45.508 --> 01:06:47.242
we've got to get a better
education for our whole

01:06:48.143 --> 01:06:51.450
citizens and we need to close
their achievement gap, we need

01:06:51.460 --> 01:06:53.460
to understand that our work

01:06:53.820 --> 01:06:55.820
with the greensboro health

01:06:55.118 --> 01:06:57.420
disparities and we have help
disparities and know that

01:06:57.420 --> 01:07:00.155
disparities in the health care
system and especially in the

01:07:00.556 --> 01:07:03.492
mental health care system and
we need more mental help in

01:07:03.526 --> 01:07:05.193
our community so that's a lt
that we need.

01:07:06.128 --> 01:07:08.128
So we're talking about the gun

01:07:09.498 --> 01:07:12.301
violence, that's not just
about talking about totality

01:07:12.302 --> 01:07:14.603
of imroving our community.
Let's talk about the totality

01:07:15.439 --> 01:07:18.107
of what we need because
tomorrow we celebrate 50 years

01:07:19.376 --> 01:07:21.744
of the anniversary of the
assassination of martin luther

01:07:22.612 --> 01:07:24.413
king but what did he die
fighting for.

01:07:25.381 --> 01:07:28.283
The wages in our community is
for everybody to have a decent
way of life.

01:07:28.886 --> 01:07:31.120
He dealt with positives in our
community.
So when we talk about gun

01:07:31.588 --> 01:07:34.123
shows that's unfair also in
new york and chicago, L.A. We

01:07:34.758 --> 01:07:36.758
didn't go to the gun show but

01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:38.760
somebody went to the gun show

01:07:39.529 --> 01:07:41.665
and conveniently dropped guns
off in our neighborhood so we

01:07:41.665 --> 01:07:43.866
didn't have to go to the gun
show and that's the

01:07:43.867 --> 01:07:45.867
conversation we don't talk

01:07:46.103 --> 01:07:48.104
about how does the guns get in
our community that we're

01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:51.474
killing ourselves with.
So while we want to do

01:07:51.509 --> 01:07:53.509
legislation I'm also calling

01:07:54.478 --> 01:07:56.813
on us in our own community to
take back our own community

01:07:57.614 --> 01:07:59.949
and make our own community a
decent place to live.

01:08:00.250 --> 01:08:03.860
Yes, we want their police to
do their job but we have a job

01:08:03.755 --> 01:08:05.722
to do in their own community.
There is an organization

01:08:06.124 --> 01:08:08.625
called the peace keeper,
10,000 fillers, I'm one of

01:08:09.694 --> 01:08:12.195
those people who want to go
and March for our own people

01:08:12.263 --> 01:08:15.165
to stop the violence in our
own community.
Erler not going to ask you to

01:08:15.500 --> 01:08:17.867
do what we should do for
ourselves but I want to make

01:08:18.569 --> 01:08:20.603
sure we don't just come cry,
weep and talk about gun

01:08:22.700 --> 01:08:23.774
violence-wheel this is being
going on in the black

01:08:24.420 --> 01:08:26.420
community for years and years

01:08:29.514 --> 01:08:31.514
and years perpetrator against

01:08:32.160 --> 01:08:34.451
ourselves but weal definitely
know it is perpetrated by the
police department.

01:08:35.253 --> 01:08:37.253
I have lots of friends and

01:08:40.325 --> 01:08:43.261
family members on the police
department but w have to look
at the history, we have to

01:08:43.996 --> 01:08:46.197
look at the videos, we have to
look at the documentation and

01:08:46.765 --> 01:08:49.433
we've got to hear the cry that
that reality of gun violence

01:08:49.701 --> 01:08:51.701
or on us and or communities

01:08:53.471 --> 01:08:55.471
is real.

01:08:55.708 --> 01:08:57.509
Hopfully one day there will be
prosecutions because it

01:08:58.210 --> 01:09:00.245
doesn't mean you've got body
cams that once you see it

01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:02.479
you're going to be justified

01:09:03.882 --> 01:09:05.882
in getting tried for it.

01:09:06.285 --> 01:09:08.285
But as my time goes down to 26

01:09:09.154 --> 01:09:11.956
seconds I just remembered emma
at the March on washington she

01:09:12.492 --> 01:09:14.459
stood there for sx minutes
and 20 seconds, maybe we

01:09:15.161 --> 01:09:17.996
should stand here and sit for
the last 15 minutes and think

01:09:18.564 --> 01:09:20.564
about all of those who have

01:09:32.579 --> 01:09:34.780
died through gun violence.
Thank you for your time.

01:09:51.198 --> 01:09:53.320
[Applause]
Mr. Robinson.
>> yes.

01:09:53.433 --> 01:09:55.433
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01:09:56.870 --> 01:09:58.371
>> my name is mark robinson,
4015 south court.

01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:01.600
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life.

01:10:02.409 --> 01:10:03.909
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fancy speech.

01:10:04.544 --> 01:10:06.544
I didn't have time to, I

01:10:08.816 --> 01:10:11.251
didn't have the resource of an
english teach to sit down and

01:10:11.352 --> 01:10:13.720
write a speech with that
school today and being brought

01:10:15.890 --> 01:10:17.323
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01:10:18.525 --> 01:10:20.727
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until you listen to majority
of the people in this city

01:12:57.888 --> 01:13:00.590
that I am the majority.
The majority of the people in

01:13:00.992 --> 01:13:02.992
this city are law-abiding and

01:13:03.161 --> 01:13:04.995
they follow the law and they
want their constitutional

01:13:05.563 --> 01:13:08.165
right to be able to bear arms.
They want to be able to go to

01:13:10.340 --> 01:13:12.340
the gun show and buy a hunting

01:13:12.360 --> 01:13:14.360
rifle or sport rifle.

01:13:14.472 --> 01:13:16.472
they don't have military grade

01:13:17.800 --> 01:13:19.800
weapons sold at the gun show.

01:13:19.111 --> 01:13:22.130
An ar-15 is not a military
grade weapon.
Anybody going to combat with

01:13:22.547 --> 01:13:24.547
an ar-15 is a fool.

01:13:25.517 --> 01:13:27.517
It is a silly automatic 22

01:13:27.786 --> 01:13:29.786
rifle, you'll be killed in 15

01:13:29.854 --> 01:13:31.155
minutes in combat with that
thing.

01:13:32.790 --> 01:13:34.758
So we need to dispel these
myths and drop all of this

01:13:42.670 --> 01:13:44.803
division we've got going on
here patm line when that

01:13:44.803 --> 01:13:47.305
second amendment was written I
am everybody and the

01:13:48.440 --> 01:13:50.408
law-abiding citizens o this
city is everybody and we want

01:13:50.509 --> 01:13:53.445
our rights and by God we're
going to keep them come hell

01:13:55.414 --> 01:13:57.414
or high water.

01:14:07.993 --> 01:14:09.994
[Applause]
So I think those are all of

01:14:10.730 --> 01:14:12.831
the speakers we have on the
topic of the gun show at this

01:14:17.370 --> 01:14:19.370
point.

01:14:19.605 --> 01:14:22.440
So you know I just want to say
this was a conversation that

01:14:24.343 --> 01:14:27.278
started after the parkland
shooting which happened to be

01:14:28.949 --> 01:14:31.517
on valentine's day, ash
wednesday, and really as a

01:14:32.219 --> 01:14:34.219
city there wassen a whole lot

01:14:34.688 --> 01:14:36.255
that we could do and that was
something that I think

01:14:39.692 --> 01:14:42.270
certainly that I recognize and
there was never an instance

01:14:44.665 --> 01:14:47.567
where we as a city council or
me as an individual was trying

01:14:48.502 --> 01:14:50.502
to take anybody's right to

01:14:50.838 --> 01:14:53.673
carry a firearm away.
We never once said let's ban

01:14:56.610 --> 01:14:59.780
any sort of a weapon in the
city.
We certainly recognize that

01:15:00.647 --> 01:15:02.647
there are firearms dealers in

01:15:04.952 --> 01:15:07.687
the city that there are
pawnshops that sell firearms,

01:15:08.489 --> 01:15:10.990
that there are sporting good
stores that sell firearms.

01:15:11.859 --> 01:15:14.660
we never once said we should
close down any of them, that

01:15:14.795 --> 01:15:16.795
we should stop selling any

01:15:17.364 --> 01:15:19.699
sort of guns but you know we
do have the coliseum and it is

01:15:21.836 --> 01:15:24.738
a city sponsored building and
for me it was our little thing

01:15:26.174 --> 01:15:29.760
that we thought that May be we
could do that May be a city

01:15:29.544 --> 01:15:31.544
sponsored building in the wake

01:15:32.980 --> 01:15:34.980
of what was happening and what

01:15:35.490 --> 01:15:37.985
continues to happen, what has
become our new normal as a

01:15:38.530 --> 01:15:40.530
country, that it seems like

01:15:40.322 --> 01:15:42.890
you turn on the tv and it
becomes the normal thing to

01:15:43.692 --> 01:15:46.126
see kids running out of the
school with their hands over

01:15:47.796 --> 01:15:50.631
their heads on a regular basis
that it might have been our

01:15:51.650 --> 01:15:53.650
stake in the sand of something

01:15:54.168 --> 01:15:56.168
that we could do.

01:15:57.500 --> 01:15:59.507
You know it turns out that
besides maybe the city not

01:15:59.908 --> 01:16:01.908
being able to say no we can't

01:16:02.344 --> 01:16:04.344
it actually turns out that it

01:16:04.579 --> 01:16:06.680
is the coliseum manager's
decision but one thing I would

01:16:07.516 --> 01:16:09.516
like to propose for this year

01:16:09.684 --> 01:16:11.684
since we do have a contract

01:16:12.788 --> 01:16:15.256
for this year is that any
proceeds from the gun show go

01:16:16.692 --> 01:16:18.692
to the gun stoppers program

01:16:18.928 --> 01:16:21.429
and through that I would like
the city council to consider

01:16:22.464 --> 01:16:24.198
that and if I could get a
second on that I would

01:16:27.302 --> 01:16:30.137
appreciate it.
Ms. Hightower, any proceeds
from the gun show go to the

01:16:31.340 --> 01:16:33.340
gun stoppers program.

01:16:33.676 --> 01:16:36.311
So I do have a scond on that
so I would call for a voice

01:16:36.312 --> 01:16:39.147
vote on that.
>> before you do that

01:16:40.490 --> 01:16:42.490
Mr. Attorney, I just want to

01:16:43.285 --> 01:16:45.285
make sure can we do that?

01:16:46.210 --> 01:16:47.489
Is that something we can
designate?

01:16:48.225 --> 01:16:50.250
Absolutely in my opinion.
>> thank you.

01:16:50.827 --> 01:16:52.827
So I would say all in favor of

01:16:53.697 --> 01:16:56.398
putting that to the gun
stoppers program please say

01:16:56.399 --> 01:16:58.400
aye.
>> aye.
>> opposed.

01:17:01.871 --> 01:17:03.205
So that is a small victory
anyway.

01:17:05.609 --> 01:17:07.609
[Applause]

01:17:07.811 --> 01:17:09.811
That at least goes to bidding

01:17:10.647 --> 01:17:13.349
illegal guns off the street
and the police department did

01:17:15.850 --> 01:17:17.286
a very good job with the gun
stoppers program last year of

01:17:17.854 --> 01:17:19.854
getting illegal guns off the

01:17:21.357 --> 01:17:23.357
street and I will say I am not

01:17:26.297 --> 01:17:28.297
antigun, I own a gun, and

01:17:28.332 --> 01:17:30.934
Mr. Stevens knows I own a gun
because I said so on

01:17:31.735 --> 01:17:34.470
Facebook and you've, up at
the podium talked about the

01:17:34.571 --> 01:17:37.600
concealed carry, you know I
have a concealed carry because

01:17:39.242 --> 01:17:41.242
I said so on Facebook.

01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:43.479
So I am very transparent.

01:17:43.481 --> 01:17:45.481
I am transparent about a lot

01:17:46.217 --> 01:17:48.217
that I do and the whole

01:17:48.219 --> 01:17:50.219
conversation about the way

01:17:50.421 --> 01:17:52.421
this unraveled, unraveled all

01:17:52.590 --> 01:17:55.425
on Facebook, it was one of
the most transparent things I

01:17:57.796 --> 01:17:59.796
think that has ever occurred

01:18:01.266 --> 01:18:03.266
as far as this discussion on

01:18:03.968 --> 01:18:06.703
at the coliseum and the way
that this conversation

01:18:07.105 --> 01:18:09.105
happened it is something that

01:18:10.642 --> 01:18:12.642
I'm very proud of that we as

01:18:12.877 --> 01:18:14.877
many of us councilmembers

01:18:15.514 --> 01:18:18.490
commented on that post made
from the community did, I

01:18:18.250 --> 01:18:20.251
think if certainly unsame a
lot of people in the community

01:18:21.586 --> 01:18:23.787
and where they stood on this
issue and where their

01:18:24.156 --> 01:18:26.157
priorities are and the way
that they feel about this

01:18:26.391 --> 01:18:28.559
community and the way they
feel about their children.

01:18:29.394 --> 01:18:31.394
And quite frankly I'm very

01:18:31.396 --> 01:18:33.396
proud of my priorities.

01:18:33.833 --> 01:18:35.833
I loved this city, I'm not

01:18:36.680 --> 01:18:38.680
afraid to say it and I'm not

01:18:38.404 --> 01:18:40.404
afraid of my priorities.

01:18:40.606 --> 01:18:42.907
So I want to thank you for
supporting me in the gun

01:18:43.542 --> 01:18:45.776
stopper decision and you know
matt brown if this decision is

01:18:46.110 --> 01:18:48.110
his I hope he watches this

01:18:49.782 --> 01:18:51.782
tape.

01:18:53.653 --> 01:18:55.653
>> I'm sorry.

01:18:55.755 --> 01:18:58.890
Sharon go ahead.
>> I'll goal after.

01:18:59.191 --> 01:19:01.191
I just wanted to say I

01:19:03.232 --> 01:19:04.929
supported you on that because
I think the view as the

01:19:06.565 --> 01:19:08.565
council I have to say

01:19:09.402 --> 01:19:11.402
something to the community but

01:19:15.441 --> 01:19:17.441
I also appreciate mohammed

01:19:21.981 --> 01:19:23.981
because I havers for a long

01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:27.520
time that's too many.

01:19:28.522 --> 01:19:30.522
>> absolutely taking guns off

01:19:30.690 --> 01:19:33.526
the street fast enough we've
got to go find where they are.

01:19:34.270 --> 01:19:36.270
We've got to incentivise

01:19:37.263 --> 01:19:39.263
people to turn them in to tell

01:19:42.200 --> 01:19:44.200
us where where they are to

01:19:44.104 --> 01:19:46.906
help our community here.
Talking about violence now and
that is where the community

01:19:48.175 --> 01:19:50.476
can help to impact the
community and change things

01:19:51.612 --> 01:19:53.646
and I think we have to support
pier violence as well.

01:19:54.347 --> 01:19:56.347
It is a program that will help

01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:01.488
our communities look deeper at
some of the incidents about

01:20:01.889 --> 01:20:03.889
look more at it as an epidemic

01:20:04.859 --> 01:20:07.560
because that's truly what it
is an epidemic.

01:20:09.163 --> 01:20:11.163
It doesn't mean that we don't

01:20:11.398 --> 01:20:14.200
people don't support guns,
secondly never written for us.

01:20:16.136 --> 01:20:18.473
Not for me.
Anyway I was property.

01:20:18.473 --> 01:20:21.109
[Inaudible]
[Low audio]
Back when they wrote the

01:20:21.109 --> 01:20:23.477
second amendment.
That didn't get factored in

01:20:23.811 --> 01:20:25.811
until the 14th amendment.

01:20:30.184 --> 01:20:31.852
So I'm not all about the
second amendment argument as

01:20:33.120 --> 01:20:35.120
much as people have a right

01:20:35.957 --> 01:20:37.957
but we all do, we all have a

01:20:38.160 --> 01:20:40.995
right from the beginning of
this country but we didn't get

01:20:41.263 --> 01:20:42.830
that, we weren't afforded
that.

01:20:43.331 --> 01:20:45.331
I've supported you tonight

01:20:46.601 --> 01:20:48.602
because of the very fact that
pure violence and that

01:20:48.603 --> 01:20:51.400
initiative we've got to put
money inthe to gun stoppers

01:20:52.107 --> 01:20:54.750
and hopefully we'll start to
gain trust in or community to

01:20:56.278 --> 01:20:58.713
let us know # where those guns
are that are causing the

01:20:59.615 --> 01:21:01.615
problems and as portia talks

01:21:04.453 --> 01:21:06.454
about we can choose people as
well and again to heal the

01:21:06.888 --> 01:21:09.824
city and the community.
>> and one of our speakers

01:21:10.459 --> 01:21:12.459
Ms. Paten she talked about the

01:21:13.462 --> 01:21:16.197
cure violence program as as well.
>> she briefly touched on it.

01:21:16.565 --> 01:21:18.565
I wish she would haveicides a

01:21:24.673 --> 01:21:26.774
little bit more.
>> I fruup an hour from here

01:21:28.778 --> 01:21:31.747
and my family came to moore
county in 1795 and they came

01:21:33.383 --> 01:21:35.750
because one o my forefathers
was gunsmith and he came down

01:21:36.619 --> 01:21:39.121
and an entire town was
developed around the kennedy

01:21:41.157 --> 01:21:43.892
long rifle which was a weapon
created and sold to american

01:21:44.695 --> 01:21:47.196
soldiers during the war at the
time.
And when you grow up in a

01:21:47.931 --> 01:21:50.165
place like that you grow up
surrounded by guns.

01:21:53.370 --> 01:21:55.804
My father and his wallet today
I can guarantee you if he

01:21:57.440 --> 01:21:59.440
walked in could pull out his

01:21:59.442 --> 01:22:01.176
lifetime sportsman license.
My parents business sold

01:22:01.779 --> 01:22:03.790
hunting licenses my whole
life.

01:22:03.914 --> 01:22:05.914
I grew up with a 410 single

01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:13.255
shot in my closet as a kid.
I went to a high school that

01:22:13.523 --> 01:22:15.558
during about hadding season
there were as many guns in

01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:19.361
trucks in the parking lot as
my high school as there were

01:22:20.498 --> 01:22:22.999
ones without them.
So I don't have some long

01:22:23.334 --> 01:22:25.334
standing intention of taking

01:22:25.336 --> 01:22:27.336
people's guns away.

01:22:28.272 --> 01:22:30.406
I believe it is a right that
people have and should

01:22:31.609 --> 01:22:34.430
continue to have.
What I also know is that my

01:22:36.246 --> 01:22:38.315
dad is not going to go deer
hunting with a bump stock and

01:22:39.150 --> 01:22:41.284
that there is really only one
purpose for weapons like that

01:22:41.786 --> 01:22:44.754
and that is a mass murder of
human beings.
I had a conversation with him

01:22:46.224 --> 01:22:48.792
today leading up to this, and
my father and I have a running

01:22:49.393 --> 01:22:51.393
joke that we really only vote

01:22:52.463 --> 01:22:54.463
to cancel ech other out.

01:22:54.466 --> 01:22:56.567
We're about as far apart
politically but this is an

01:22:56.568 --> 01:22:58.602
issue we share the same
opinion on.

01:23:00.638 --> 01:23:02.406
Even my father a life long gun
enthusiasts with a house full

01:23:03.575 --> 01:23:06.410
of guns at home believes there
is no place in our society for

01:23:07.645 --> 01:23:09.645
weapons of mass murder.

01:23:13.850 --> 01:23:15.850
I will be the first person to

01:23:15.120 --> 01:23:17.521
say if it were up to us I
would absolutely raise my hand

01:23:17.522 --> 01:23:20.570
and say we should eliminate
the ability to sell those

01:23:20.225 --> 01:23:22.225
weapons at anything owned or

01:23:22.994 --> 01:23:24.762
operated by the city of
greensboro.
[Applause]

01:23:32.772 --> 01:23:34.772
That is not -- that is not an

01:23:36.208 --> 01:23:38.209
option afforded to us.
And I I believe in second

01:23:38.344 --> 01:23:40.144
amendments rights.
It's still important to me.

01:23:40.712 --> 01:23:43.114
If you walk in my house today
I don't own a gun but I can

01:23:43.649 --> 01:23:45.649
put my hands on one and use

01:23:45.884 --> 01:23:47.953
one today just as well as I
could when I was 12 yearsole

01:23:48.187 --> 01:23:49.988
and it is important to me to
have the right to be able to

01:23:51.257 --> 01:23:53.559
do that, if I choose to use it
for sports, protection, or

01:23:53.559 --> 01:23:55.427
concealed carry or anything
like that.

01:23:58.130 --> 01:24:00.598
So for me this is never been a
conversation about taking away

01:24:01.367 --> 01:24:03.367
people's gunsism for me what

01:24:04.704 --> 01:24:07.390
this is is a conversation
where I believe if we don't

01:24:08.708 --> 01:24:10.708
raise our voices as leaders

01:24:11.211 --> 01:24:13.645
and communities and say we
don't stand for this we don't

01:24:15.148 --> 01:24:17.148
stand for these types of

01:24:17.183 --> 01:24:19.985
weapons in our society then I
believe that when our children

01:24:21.120 --> 01:24:23.155
are atacked their blood is on
our hands and is that not a

01:24:23.190 --> 01:24:26.580
place that I am willing to
stand.

01:24:27.694 --> 01:24:30.229
In six minutes with a regular
weapon you don't go in and

01:24:31.131 --> 01:24:33.131
kill mass numbers of people,

01:24:33.567 --> 01:24:34.900
not with a shoot reload, shoot
reload.

01:24:36.836 --> 01:24:39.471
That is just timp simply not
something that happens.

01:24:39.740 --> 01:24:41.740
So for today always and

01:24:41.742 --> 01:24:43.944
probably forever I y stand in
solidarity with young people

01:24:43.944 --> 01:24:45.979
ingreens across this country
who are raising their voices

01:24:47.114 --> 01:24:49.114
and standing up for themselves

01:24:50.500 --> 01:24:52.840
for all of us as adults who
have failed to protect them.

01:24:52.586 --> 01:24:54.586
I am proud of what our young

01:24:54.821 --> 01:24:57.423
people are standing for and
doing.
I fully support the second

01:24:57.792 --> 01:25:00.694
amendment rights of people in
this city and country but I

01:25:00.695 --> 01:25:03.630
absolutely believe we have no
place for those weapons in our

01:25:05.266 --> 01:25:07.266
society.

01:25:10.404 --> 01:25:12.672
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so we have a group of people

01:25:13.407 --> 01:25:15.407
who want to talk about

01:25:15.643 --> 01:25:16.977
panhandling and homeless
issues.

01:25:18.580 --> 01:25:20.580
I hope I have them altogether.

01:25:22.217 --> 01:25:24.217
We'll call the first three.

01:25:24.419 --> 01:25:26.419
George, susana marshal and

01:25:51.647 --> 01:25:53.815
richard vat.
>> greetlings and peace to all

01:25:55.840 --> 01:25:56.884
of of you, Madam Mayor,
distinguished members of the

01:25:58.554 --> 01:26:00.554
city council, ladies and

01:26:00.722 --> 01:26:02.722
gentlemen of greensboro.

01:26:05.260 --> 01:26:06.594
My name is george victor
achini.

01:26:11.567 --> 01:26:13.567
It is pronounced ara-chini.

01:26:15.628 --> 01:26:16.673
It is important you pronounce
it right, if you pronounce it

01:26:19.108 --> 01:26:21.109
wrong I'm from africa, if you
pronounce it wrong it means

01:26:21.544 --> 01:26:24.345
something terrible.
I come from west africa and I

01:26:31.221 --> 01:26:32.721
came to greensboro November
first, 2007.

01:26:34.390 --> 01:26:37.580
No sooner had I stepped in
greensboro my house burned

01:26:39.395 --> 01:26:41.395
down, totally burned down.

01:26:42.650 --> 01:26:44.650
Now I am in dire straits in a

01:26:44.134 --> 01:26:46.168
place I do not know.
America is very intimidating

01:26:47.270 --> 01:26:49.270
if you're not from here.

01:26:51.608 --> 01:26:54.143
So I found my foot at the dry
cleaners, done feel bad it was
good food.

01:26:55.450 --> 01:26:57.450
Because I went to the grocery

01:26:57.280 --> 01:26:59.615
store and expired and I went
to go pick it up and that's

01:27:00.417 --> 01:27:03.219
how I lived.
Until one day I saw a bunch of

01:27:03.487 --> 01:27:06.155
people that looked just like
me were going up a street

01:27:06.390 --> 01:27:09.125
along bessemer and I followed
them to see where thy were

01:27:10.270 --> 01:27:11.761
going and ended up at a place
called the irc.

01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:15.898
Now I stepped in there but I
did want to get involved

01:27:17.340 --> 01:27:19.340
because the man asked me for

01:27:21.472 --> 01:27:23.472
papers, I'm undocumented.

01:27:23.874 --> 01:27:25.874
So I was about to leave when

01:27:27.811 --> 01:27:30.146
one of the ladies says have
you done your intake?

01:27:31.849 --> 01:27:34.520
I said what's that?
She said come on in.

01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:36.587
And while I was there there
was aspiano and I went there

01:27:37.210 --> 01:27:39.756
and played a little bit until
the security told me to stop

01:27:39.991 --> 01:27:41.991
playing and then the director

01:27:42.994 --> 01:27:44.994
called me, the director then

01:27:45.129 --> 01:27:47.330
was lee seymour called me and
started talking with me and

01:27:51.168 --> 01:27:53.904
there was a gentleman they
called gibson, while they were

01:27:54.740 --> 01:27:57.475
talking with me they got my
intake and from there until

01:27:59.778 --> 01:28:01.778
today I want to thank the irc,

01:28:02.414 --> 01:28:04.616
the weaver house on main
street, salvation army and all
of the other places that give

01:28:04.616 --> 01:28:06.550
us care.
We appreciate that.

01:28:09.589 --> 01:28:11.890
I want to thank you city
council for there fundic that
you send to these placessism

01:28:12.240 --> 01:28:14.525
it is money well spent.
Please do more.
Okay.

01:28:15.761 --> 01:28:17.761
I'm here to talk about a few

01:28:18.664 --> 01:28:20.431
things, panhandling, and the
property commission that have

01:28:21.733 --> 01:28:23.340
been proposed.
Okay.

01:28:28.274 --> 01:28:30.208
We are hope l we are
disinfrans whiched people.

01:28:32.978 --> 01:28:34.978
It is hard to get us together.

01:28:38.500 --> 01:28:40.500
Very difficult but he would

01:28:41.820 --> 01:28:43.821
send marcus hyde and fries,
who have passion for us.

01:28:46.359 --> 01:28:48.560
Thank God for the irc, who
helps us.

01:28:49.295 --> 01:28:51.496
We do the legwork we can do
and they've done their

01:28:53.332 --> 01:28:55.433
research and have completed
the panhandle is

01:28:56.569 --> 01:28:58.569
unconstitutional.

01:28:59.605 --> 01:29:01.605
Now, this is a country of laws

01:29:02.943 --> 01:29:04.443
what makes america great is
the constitution.

01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:08.814
Take away the constitution and
you've got camaroon.

01:29:09.582 --> 01:29:12.217
in my country I can not do
this, I'm standing here this

01:29:12.619 --> 01:29:14.987
is a different privilege.
This is a high honor, the

01:29:15.655 --> 01:29:18.156
biggest blessing I've ever had
in my life that I can stnd

01:29:18.391 --> 01:29:20.391
here and say what's in my

01:29:20.961 --> 01:29:23.230
heart and ill-but not walk out
of here in chains.

01:29:23.230 --> 01:29:25.230
Stand up for america.

01:29:25.966 --> 01:29:27.966
Now the constitution when we

01:29:29.202 --> 01:29:31.337
stood here and the pledge of
allegiance I heard one nation

01:29:32.239 --> 01:29:34.239
under God and justice for all.

01:29:35.175 --> 01:29:36.609
Those two things make the
constitution.

01:29:38.612 --> 01:29:41.114
Now if this is
unconstitutional it needs to
be repealed.

01:29:42.650 --> 01:29:44.650
The consequences don't matter.

01:29:44.885 --> 01:29:46.986
We live difficult, yes you get
more panhandling I guarantee

01:29:48.322 --> 01:29:50.123
you that, some will be
aggressive, I guarantee you

01:29:51.558 --> 01:29:53.558
that, that's not the point,

01:29:53.861 --> 01:29:55.861
the fact it is

01:29:56.998 --> 01:29:58.365
unconstitutional it should be
repealed.

01:29:59.233 --> 01:30:02.350
Another plce with some little
legal that puts in laws and

01:30:02.270 --> 01:30:04.638
all of that stuff, which is
left to the interpretation of

01:30:05.500 --> 01:30:07.500
the police.

01:30:07.808 --> 01:30:10.143
It should be repealed just
because it is

01:30:11.450 --> 01:30:12.613
unconstitutional.
Secondly, the property

01:30:14.983 --> 01:30:17.551
commission we are the poor.
It is impossible for all of

01:30:18.720 --> 01:30:20.720
you to come up with decisions

01:30:20.889 --> 01:30:22.889
that will meet all of our

01:30:23.157 --> 01:30:24.858
needs if we are not at the
table.

01:30:26.794 --> 01:30:28.794
So I beseech you, I besiege

01:30:29.598 --> 01:30:31.632
you gib us a place at the
table leaving here knowing

01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:33.768
that something is being done
on our behalf.

01:30:34.269 --> 01:30:36.269
I had a privilege of talking

01:30:38.400 --> 01:30:40.841
with the mayor last week and i
told her about the perception.

01:30:44.512 --> 01:30:47.114
Now our perception is our
reality; it does not have to

01:30:47.817 --> 01:30:50.652
be true, it does not have to
be right or wrong but as long

01:30:52.721 --> 01:30:54.822
as that is our perception, it
remains our reality and this

01:30:55.924 --> 01:30:57.959
is our perception of you our
perception is that the people

01:30:58.327 --> 01:31:00.327
of greensboro don't care, the

01:31:00.329 --> 01:31:02.597
government doesn't care, and
we you are looking for some

01:31:04.534 --> 01:31:07.690
way to hide us.
We beseech you to give us a

01:31:09.172 --> 01:31:10.906
good faith action and repeal.
Thank you.

01:31:11.207 --> 01:31:12.574
>> thank you very much.
[Applause]

01:31:19.281 --> 01:31:21.281
[Applause]

01:31:21.585 --> 01:31:23.585
My name is suzanne.

01:31:24.120 --> 01:31:25.421
I have been homeless for six
years.

01:31:27.757 --> 01:31:30.292
I can not get anymore housing
programs.
I come today because we are

01:31:30.360 --> 01:31:32.360
out here on the streets and we

01:31:32.428 --> 01:31:34.428
need help getting tings that

01:31:36.866 --> 01:31:38.866
many people take for granted.

01:31:39.269 --> 01:31:41.304
This is a hard life especially
for women.

01:31:45.342 --> 01:31:47.343
The panhandling laws are
unconditional and we shall nt

01:31:47.544 --> 01:31:50.279
write the new laws.
I have a biggest problem of my

01:31:53.216 --> 01:31:55.216
friends being harass acid by

01:31:55.552 --> 01:31:58.321
the law even if they have had
license.
Virginia does not have to have

01:31:58.823 --> 01:32:00.823
a panhandling license at all

01:32:01.725 --> 01:32:04.360
and it is a common wealth
state.
This creates a dangerous

01:32:08.198 --> 01:32:10.198
environment for us and people

01:32:10.734 --> 01:32:12.134
are held responsible for
harassment.

01:32:13.971 --> 01:32:15.971
We are not protected.

01:32:19.710 --> 01:32:21.511
Even if the law grudges up a
homeless person they are not

01:32:24.949 --> 01:32:27.684
held responsible.
The new commission shall be

01:32:27.885 --> 01:32:29.786
made up of 50% of people from
our groups.

01:32:30.821 --> 01:32:32.890
We know what we need, we live
here, why can't you listen to

01:32:37.950 --> 01:32:38.462
us when we making these
decisions.

01:32:41.332 --> 01:32:43.533
Don't lead me out if it is
about me.

01:32:45.670 --> 01:32:47.670
Most of the time politicians

01:32:48.907 --> 01:32:50.907
do not ask us what we need but

01:32:53.345 --> 01:32:55.112
we can change that today.
This new commission must

01:33:01.319 --> 01:33:03.200
listen to us if it is going to
be susessable.

01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:09.594
All others have not been
susessable because people

01:33:14.333 --> 01:33:16.834
think they can speak for us.
Does not speak for me.

01:33:18.637 --> 01:33:20.637
Why does she help them turn

01:33:21.306 --> 01:33:24.800
her back.
She gives us so much and then

01:33:24.444 --> 01:33:26.444
goes ito the news people

01:33:30.283 --> 01:33:32.283
telling us what we need;

01:33:34.553 --> 01:33:36.654
service on most -- sorry, can't
pronounce the word.

01:33:38.424 --> 01:33:41.392
>> you're good.
>> assembly downtown, this is

01:33:43.630 --> 01:33:45.630
where the community lives

01:33:48.668 --> 01:33:50.736
downtown of greensboro.
Not way over on wendell where

01:33:52.705 --> 01:33:54.705
they want to move it at.

01:33:58.478 --> 01:34:01.470
It is harder to get what we
need, andy murphy does not

01:34:01.348 --> 01:34:03.449
speak for us and this
commission needs to listen to

01:34:04.117 --> 01:34:06.385
us.
Thank you.

01:34:11.691 --> 01:34:14.326
>> thank you.
[Applause]
>> while richard is coming to

01:34:15.728 --> 01:34:17.728
the podium charlie gonzalez,

01:34:22.903 --> 01:34:24.903
marcus hyde, and robert

01:34:29.142 --> 01:34:31.142
courier and then I'm not sre

01:34:31.978 --> 01:34:33.879
I can pronounce it, izlem
wardm and again other people

01:34:34.816 --> 01:34:37.317
who May want to talk about
homelessness.
If you've signed up and I

01:34:37.752 --> 01:34:40.587
haven't called you you can go
ahead and get in line.

01:34:40.588 --> 01:34:42.588
richard.

01:34:43.190 --> 01:34:44.657
>> my name is richard.
Good afternoon.

01:34:46.226 --> 01:34:48.226
I would like to thank

01:34:49.630 --> 01:34:51.266
Councilman Outling and mayor
vaughan for meeting with us

01:34:51.266 --> 01:34:54.201
last week.
Thank you all very much for

01:34:54.836 --> 01:34:57.738
taking time out of your buzzy
schedule.
I've become homeless two

01:34:58.873 --> 01:35:00.873
months ago and I had a brain

01:35:01.109 --> 01:35:03.109
tumor the size of a grapefruit

01:35:03.311 --> 01:35:05.745
and it is still pieces of it
wrapped around my brain stem

01:35:07.348 --> 01:35:09.884
and I refinish hardwood floors
beutthe doctor says I've been

01:35:10.719 --> 01:35:12.719
exposed to harmful chemicals

01:35:16.570 --> 01:35:17.825
so I can't do floors anymore.
And on the panhandling you

01:35:18.994 --> 01:35:20.994
know I'm just I hate to even

01:35:21.290 --> 01:35:23.330
call it that I like to call it
making a living because that's

01:35:27.269 --> 01:35:29.370
what it is doing for me.
And sorry I don't have

01:35:30.105 --> 01:35:32.573
everything together I went out
today and panhandled and

01:35:34.176 --> 01:35:36.176
somebody stole my backpack, so

01:35:36.278 --> 01:35:38.312
seems like you've got more of
a thief poblem than

01:35:39.140 --> 01:35:40.981
panhandling in this town.
I don't know if anybody read

01:35:41.550 --> 01:35:43.550
in the article the chicken

01:35:44.587 --> 01:35:46.321
lady amy murphy wrote in the
greensboro news and record

01:35:47.823 --> 01:35:49.823
sunday, but it is very

01:35:51.727 --> 01:35:53.727
disturbing to me.

01:35:53.963 --> 01:35:56.698
You know here to me if I was
feeding the homeless it would

01:36:00.636 --> 01:36:02.636
come from my heart and I just

01:36:02.739 --> 01:36:04.773
cannot understand her outlook.
She basically said the

01:36:05.642 --> 01:36:08.430
homeless people was using the
panhandling to buy drugs and

01:36:12.648 --> 01:36:15.160
alcohol.
Well I just finished my course

01:36:15.785 --> 01:36:17.785
in welding since I'm trying to

01:36:19.723 --> 01:36:22.258
get a new career, signed up at
btcc to start their next

01:36:22.993 --> 01:36:25.594
session on welding, so you
know that's what I'm using the

01:36:29.132 --> 01:36:31.132
money forrism -- for, you know.

01:36:33.469 --> 01:36:35.504
Her comments on it that, in my
opinion, there are two things

01:36:42.546 --> 01:36:44.546
going on.

01:36:44.982 --> 01:36:47.183
It is just verynering to read
that article.

01:36:47.684 --> 01:36:49.684
I know I wn't eat none of her

01:36:49.786 --> 01:36:51.787
chicken if that's the way she
feels because she sure don't

01:36:52.322 --> 01:36:54.991
have her priorities straight
or issues, one of the two.

01:36:58.762 --> 01:37:00.762
And this needs to be repealed.

01:37:01.765 --> 01:37:03.765
It don't need to be modified

01:37:04.501 --> 01:37:07.336
because you already know
you're not in cordance and

01:37:09.540 --> 01:37:12.175
we're here to stay.
We're only drawing week by

01:37:13.211 --> 01:37:16.120
week so you're fight ag losing
battle by trying to modify it.

01:37:17.548 --> 01:37:20.183
I'll promise you that.
We're just going to go
forward.

01:37:22.119 --> 01:37:24.421
We've got bigger fish to try
then this right here.

01:37:25.322 --> 01:37:27.857
You know, we need to go after
the staffing services that's

01:37:27.858 --> 01:37:30.794
cheating these people, that's
the reason why they're on

01:37:31.530 --> 01:37:33.530
this, these staffing services

01:37:33.832 --> 01:37:35.832
charging them $8 for a ride,

01:37:37.268 --> 01:37:39.336
$3 for a ard hat, $2 for a
vest, 35 cents for ear plugs I

01:37:40.505 --> 01:37:43.600
heard today.
To do, to go out and even

01:37:44.420 --> 01:37:46.777
work, by the end of the day
you haven't made any money,

01:37:46.879 --> 01:37:48.980
you're going to stay homeless,
that's the people we need to

01:37:49.915 --> 01:37:51.649
be fightingism this
panhandling thing should just

01:37:54.786 --> 01:37:56.987
be I mean, to me, we're
spending volume time to where

01:37:58.423 --> 01:38:00.423
we could be spending valuable

01:38:00.625 --> 01:38:02.625
time that's worth a lot more

01:38:03.610 --> 01:38:05.496
than wht we're sitting here
arguing over, you know.

01:38:07.733 --> 01:38:09.701
And after talking to mayor
vaughan her biggest problem

01:38:10.870 --> 01:38:13.771
was the safety issue.
and one of the things she

01:38:15.700 --> 01:38:17.608
brought up was with the
safety, security with people

01:38:17.943 --> 01:38:20.778
standing in the median.
You've got people that isect

01:38:22.181 --> 01:38:24.550
whiching money for the cheer
leading, they stand in the

01:38:24.550 --> 01:38:26.718
middlism you ever got the fire
department they stand in the

01:38:27.530 --> 01:38:29.530
median to do it.

01:38:29.689 --> 01:38:31.890
So it is just not people
panhandling.

01:38:32.591 --> 01:38:35.260
But it seems like any problem
you have that's where it is

01:38:36.562 --> 01:38:38.363
going.
And start ag committee,

01:38:39.320 --> 01:38:41.320
starting a committee that you

01:38:44.938 --> 01:38:47.372
have you know start a
committee on poverty

01:38:47.674 --> 01:38:49.674
commission, we're 50% homeless

01:38:50.543 --> 01:38:51.877
people you'll get the right
answers.

01:38:55.248 --> 01:38:57.550
At irc they have a program on
monday and just finally got a

01:38:59.286 --> 01:39:00.853
name for it homeless union of
greensboro, you know.

01:39:02.220 --> 01:39:04.557
Come up there and listen, get
hear it first hand.

01:39:04.691 --> 01:39:06.691
Don't hear it second hand from

01:39:06.993 --> 01:39:09.795
the chicken lady because if
you believe, if you're going

01:39:10.330 --> 01:39:12.831
off that right there you're,
we've got a lot of work to do

01:39:15.690 --> 01:39:17.637
if you're going off of that.
So just come in and sit back

01:39:18.839 --> 01:39:20.839
and it's free, you get

01:39:21.410 --> 01:39:23.410
educated for free during the

01:39:24.978 --> 01:39:26.978
meetings.

01:39:26.980 --> 01:39:29.949
And just I'm going to, I mean
we're not going away, we're

01:39:30.550 --> 01:39:33.186
growing every week.
It is going to get repealed

01:39:33.287 --> 01:39:35.755
one way or the other.
Thank you.
>> thank you.

01:39:44.980 --> 01:39:46.634
[Applause]
Hello my name is carlos

01:39:46.634 --> 01:39:49.336
gonzalez, charlie.
My address is the streets of

01:39:50.972 --> 01:39:53.307
greensboro, I'm homeless.
i live in a tent.

01:39:55.443 --> 01:39:57.100
I wanted to tell you good
evening.

01:39:58.146 --> 01:40:00.681
I'm glad to see all of you
I've worked for are here

01:40:01.490 --> 01:40:03.383
today.
I believe that it is basic

01:40:06.421 --> 01:40:09.230
human right to ask for help.
To prohibit someone for asking

01:40:09.758 --> 01:40:12.259
for help is like binding them
into bondage.

01:40:13.595 --> 01:40:16.497
I've been homeless for about
two and a half years and there

01:40:18.733 --> 01:40:21.680
are many reasons for that.
Panhandling, asking for help,

01:40:23.272 --> 01:40:25.272
is a way to make ends moment.

01:40:27.543 --> 01:40:29.543
It is a means of survival.

01:40:30.679 --> 01:40:33.810
Money is a necessity for food,
for transportation, for goods

01:40:34.583 --> 01:40:36.583
and basic needs, people need

01:40:39.254 --> 01:40:40.988
shelter, people need clothing,
people need, I think if there

01:40:42.458 --> 01:40:45.260
is a committee on poverty it
should include the poor and

01:40:45.695 --> 01:40:47.695
the homeless, a majority of

01:40:49.665 --> 01:40:52.660
the poor and the homeless it
is our input there should be

01:40:53.902 --> 01:40:55.902
most valued when making

01:40:56.839 --> 01:40:58.840
decisions that effect us
directly.
Otherwise these decisions

01:41:00.276 --> 01:41:02.711
might be based on prejudice,
biis and misconceptions.

01:41:02.812 --> 01:41:04.812
That would be a major

01:41:06.150 --> 01:41:08.283
injustice.
I think, I believe that there

01:41:10.186 --> 01:41:12.186
are actual root causes for

01:41:12.488 --> 01:41:14.488
homelessness.

01:41:14.924 --> 01:41:17.560
Either ignored or completely
dismissed.
I feel as if there is a focus

01:41:18.595 --> 01:41:20.996
on treating various symptoms
while ignoring the actual

01:41:21.531 --> 01:41:24.233
causes.
Most people who have not

01:41:25.735 --> 01:41:28.171
experienced homelessness or
poverty have no idea what it

01:41:28.171 --> 01:41:30.439
is actually like.
We hope you will never have

01:41:31.107 --> 01:41:33.375
to.
thank you.
God bless you.

01:41:41.652 --> 01:41:43.286
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01:41:45.422 --> 01:41:47.557
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robert courier, 1103 let me

01:41:47.557 --> 01:41:49.557
ask you this avenue.

01:41:50.327 --> 01:41:52.496
It is good to see some new
faces on the council, good to

01:41:53.300 --> 01:41:55.300
see old faces gone.

01:41:55.990 --> 01:41:58.100
This is my first time speaking
before the new council and I

01:41:58.502 --> 01:42:01.137
went to a meeting that's been
talked about that's happening

01:42:01.405 --> 01:42:04.400
on monday yesterday for the
fierce time.

01:42:05.175 --> 01:42:07.643
So if folks on the council
want to not deal with this and

01:42:08.446 --> 01:42:11.315
sweep it under the rug there
are outside agtaters working

01:42:12.250 --> 01:42:14.170
on it now too so we're really
engaging the community about

01:42:17.622 --> 01:42:19.623
this.
I think greensboro has an

01:42:19.791 --> 01:42:22.580
opportunity to lead the nation
on this kind of an issue

01:42:23.561 --> 01:42:25.561
because trump and his people

01:42:26.698 --> 01:42:28.699
are going to be squeezing poor
people and the working class

01:42:29.267 --> 01:42:31.903
more and more and more and
y'all know that, y'all are

01:42:31.903 --> 01:42:33.904
smart enough to know that
what's coming from them and we

01:42:34.339 --> 01:42:37.207
have a chance to organize and
fight against it here and

01:42:39.177 --> 01:42:41.778
create solutions because wall
street and raleigh are not,

01:42:41.779 --> 01:42:43.779
they are going to be making

01:42:45.718 --> 01:42:48.653
our jobs a lot harder.
And this handout from the

01:42:53.291 --> 01:42:55.593
folks that are with us
reimburses the town of gilbert

01:42:56.128 --> 01:42:58.128
for the folks that don't have

01:42:58.663 --> 01:43:01.633
it, deemed all ordinances on
panhandling are
unconstitutional and against
the first amendment.

01:43:02.401 --> 01:43:04.169
So me and a couple of my
friend from the neighborhood

01:43:05.638 --> 01:43:07.739
took a bunch of drums and
guitars out here to put a hat

01:43:08.374 --> 01:43:10.709
on the ground to collect money
cops aren't going to harass us

01:43:10.709 --> 01:43:12.709
like homeless people.

01:43:13.545 --> 01:43:16.247
A lot of what was talked about
with me in that meeting was

01:43:16.882 --> 01:43:19.484
being vulnerable to police
harassment no matter how

01:43:19.919 --> 01:43:22.287
closely folks followed the
law, no matter how many people

01:43:23.690 --> 01:43:26.240
had that permit they were
always harassed by the cops

01:43:26.292 --> 01:43:29.227
and told to find another place
to go no matter how closely

01:43:29.862 --> 01:43:32.263
they followed the rules.
So I hate that all of the

01:43:32.465 --> 01:43:35.433
cameras are gone.
I hate that the kids speaking

01:43:35.969 --> 01:43:38.637
here earlier were gone talking
about small people with big

01:43:38.738 --> 01:43:41.730
guns, that's who they are.
And this kind of ordinance

01:43:42.409 --> 01:43:44.276
only limits people's ability
to protect themselves against

01:43:45.645 --> 01:43:46.945
that.
Right.

01:43:47.647 --> 01:43:49.647
So we have a chance as a city

01:43:49.882 --> 01:43:52.417
to say we're going to get out
ahead of the courts, ahead of

01:43:52.518 --> 01:43:54.620
these cities because there are
cities being ru by democrats

01:43:55.589 --> 01:43:57.589
and liberals all over the

01:43:57.991 --> 01:44:00.626
country locking people up or
feeding homeless people,

01:44:00.627 --> 01:44:03.462
uclaing people up and building
tiny homes, they're getting

01:44:03.897 --> 01:44:06.320
lock up for doing all of this
stuff and it's democrats and

01:44:06.320 --> 01:44:08.400
people who claim to be
liberals that are doing it and

01:44:08.935 --> 01:44:10.970
we need to show that the
democrats and liberals who run

01:44:13.274 --> 01:44:15.642
the city are not that way and
the ordinances that we have on

01:44:16.430 --> 01:44:18.430
the books right now don't say

01:44:18.646 --> 01:44:21.114
that and the constitution is
on our side on this right.

01:44:21.715 --> 01:44:23.715
We have a chance to lead to

01:44:26.190 --> 01:44:28.721
say we're not going to replace
our old uncologisttologist

01:44:31.784 --> 01:44:34.227
laws with new unconstitutional
laws because it is simply like

01:44:34.495 --> 01:44:36.731
an ineficient way to do things
not to mention that there are

01:44:36.731 --> 01:44:38.698
human beings caught in the
middle of this and we had

01:44:43.504 --> 01:44:46.206
people like amy hurry who ever
chance she gets want to come

01:44:46.708 --> 01:44:48.776
in here and the degrees
prescribe solutions to people

01:44:48.877 --> 01:44:50.877
for things she doesn't

01:44:52.914 --> 01:44:54.915
understand and people who are
listenling to her and thinking

01:44:55.183 --> 01:44:57.517
this is good advice don't
understand eager, right, but

01:44:58.286 --> 01:45:00.587
we are getting organized and I
just want you all to know that

01:45:01.189 --> 01:45:03.958
and I really hope you lis toon
what these folks are saying

01:45:04.193 --> 01:45:06.360
with this poverty
commissionism this is a chance

01:45:07.996 --> 01:45:09.997
for you all to listen to
actually people effected and

01:45:10.980 --> 01:45:12.980
for some solutions to come out

01:45:13.135 --> 01:45:15.169
of it that will actually help
instead of the dribble that

01:45:16.171 --> 01:45:18.272
comes out of people like amy
murphy who want to ship

01:45:19.741 --> 01:45:21.741
homeless people out to some

01:45:22.440 --> 01:45:24.440
suburban highway like winover

01:45:24.790 --> 01:45:26.800
somewhere where there is like
all of this past traffic and

01:45:27.349 --> 01:45:29.451
more people are just going to
be under more threats than

01:45:29.451 --> 01:45:31.853
they already are.
I mean where the services are

01:45:32.187 --> 01:45:34.187
now that's where the buses go,

01:45:35.230 --> 01:45:37.230
this is where people live and

01:45:38.461 --> 01:45:40.962
you could really use this
opportunity to like help

01:45:43.466 --> 01:45:46.101
solidify the games and
politically in the city by

01:45:46.302 --> 01:45:48.603
organizing with these folks
instead of standing in the
way.

01:45:49.438 --> 01:45:51.439
I've seen enough of it happen
every time we try to get

01:45:51.440 --> 01:45:53.675
raises for the city workers
and a lot of other things but

01:45:54.760 --> 01:45:56.612
I really want this city
council to step it up and

01:45:57.981 --> 01:45:59.981
fight with us because the

01:46:01.284 --> 01:46:04.860
pendulum of politics is
swinging our way, from the

01:46:04.721 --> 01:46:06.721
left that andy was talk about,

01:46:07.256 --> 01:46:09.257
you all have seen it in this
council chamber for the last

01:46:09.592 --> 01:46:11.594
year, we're coming and we're
not going away.

01:46:11.594 --> 01:46:13.594
Thanks,.

01:46:15.399 --> 01:46:17.567
[Applause]
>> good evening.

01:46:19.200 --> 01:46:21.971
My name isizen morhad low.
I've been a resident of
greensboro since 2012.

01:46:26.676 --> 01:46:28.377
I'm actually a member of the
empowerment center that george

01:46:29.120 --> 01:46:31.120
was talking about earlier and

01:46:31.815 --> 01:46:34.450
I'm associated with homeless
ness in greensboro.

01:46:37.988 --> 01:46:40.690
I wanted to speak on the
poverty commission and ask

01:46:42.426 --> 01:46:44.426
that that commission be

01:46:44.795 --> 01:46:47.663
represented by 50% or more of
people coming from low income

01:46:48.660 --> 01:46:50.660
working poor, homeless, so

01:46:51.302 --> 01:46:53.670
that the issues that being had
by these people can be

01:46:54.672 --> 01:46:57.507
addressed by them and I have
some information that I

01:46:58.108 --> 01:47:00.108
collected, what happens when a

01:47:01.712 --> 01:47:03.947
people group has no
representation, it is titled

01:47:04.140 --> 01:47:06.140
the state of black business in

01:47:09.287 --> 01:47:11.121
greensboro.
>> throughout my life I've

01:47:11.422 --> 01:47:13.457
heard many debates on the
state of black owned

01:47:14.192 --> 01:47:17.940
businesses onamerica.
Usually at barber shops which

01:47:17.595 --> 01:47:19.830
is a safe space and they
usually end with the debaters

01:47:21.299 --> 01:47:23.299
and audience all agreeing that

01:47:24.236 --> 01:47:26.236
one slavery has set us back

01:47:26.905 --> 01:47:28.905
centuries, a recent study has

01:47:28.907 --> 01:47:30.907
proven this to be true 228

01:47:31.643 --> 01:47:34.511
years behind to be exact.
They, yes them, are never

01:47:36.581 --> 01:47:38.615
going to give us reparations,
yes those.

01:47:38.817 --> 01:47:40.918
three, we need more
black-owned businesses.

01:47:41.353 --> 01:47:43.353
Four, black people can't get

01:47:43.722 --> 01:47:45.722
along well enough to start a

01:47:45.991 --> 01:47:48.626
successful business depending
on the crowd go to another

01:47:48.961 --> 01:47:51.629
debate, which is crabs in a
bucket or forgot about where

01:47:51.763 --> 01:47:54.298
you came from.
So I've decided to take a

01:47:55.100 --> 01:47:57.735
closer look spickly in the
city I reside in, greensboro,

01:48:01.574 --> 01:48:03.574
north carolina to see whether

01:48:05.511 --> 01:48:08.112
wherethe discrepancies lie and
label them through the motion

01:48:08.747 --> 01:48:10.481
picture film get out.
Businesses in america can be

01:48:11.584 --> 01:48:13.819
classified into two distinct
categories, euro businesses

01:48:13.819 --> 01:48:16.456
with at least one paid
employee ands bees with no

01:48:16.456 --> 01:48:18.690
paid employees.
In the city of greensboro

01:48:21.294 --> 01:48:24.229
there is a total of over
$61.6 billion in sales

01:48:25.832 --> 01:48:27.833
received on values of
shipments in all industries

01:48:28.267 --> 01:48:30.267
safe according thoo2012 survey

01:48:30.803 --> 01:48:33.305
of business owners.
99% of all sales are generated

01:48:33.974 --> 01:48:35.974
from businesses with at least

01:48:36.810 --> 01:48:39.445
one paid employee but only 6%
of black-owned businesses have

01:48:39.913 --> 01:48:41.913
at least one paid employee,

01:48:44.350 --> 01:48:46.652
this is a sunken place.
77% of the total sales

01:48:49.589 --> 01:48:52.425
generated from companies that
are unclassifiable by race,

01:48:53.660 --> 01:48:56.262
ethnicity, gender and veteran
status this includes your wall

01:48:58.131 --> 01:49:00.131
marts, UNCGs and so on that

01:49:00.801 --> 01:49:02.801
leads a 23% piece of the pie

01:49:04.370 --> 01:49:06.370
that can be classified in

01:49:06.206 --> 01:49:08.875
three different groups that
share the majority of that

01:49:10.511 --> 01:49:12.612
life according to the 2010
demographic profile.

01:49:14.648 --> 01:49:16.648
Now have whites who make up

01:49:17.284 --> 01:49:20.200
48.4% of greensboro, blacks
who make up 40.6% of

01:49:20.200 --> 01:49:22.200
greensboro and an asian

01:49:26.161 --> 01:49:28.729
community which makeps up 4%.
That 23% pie is then split up

01:49:28.997 --> 01:49:31.331
with white owned businesses
with more than 1 paid employee

01:49:32.133 --> 01:49:34.340
not include ag wal-mart, which
I wuld probably consider

01:49:36.170 --> 01:49:38.170
aural white owned business,

01:49:39.106 --> 01:49:41.508
but with more than one
employee 22% of that 23% pie.

01:49:42.143 --> 01:49:44.945
And you have black owned
businesses having only.4% of

01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:47.680
that pie which is a sunken

01:49:50.719 --> 01:49:52.719
place and asians who are 4%

01:49:52.787 --> 01:49:55.656
having the same.4%.
Although blacks in greensboro

01:49:57.910 --> 01:49:59.910
outnumber asians 10-1 asians

01:50:02.331 --> 01:50:04.900
have slightly more as
259 million and generated

01:50:04.900 --> 01:50:07.535
self-owned businesses which
leaves one paid employee

01:50:09.738 --> 01:50:12.440
compared to black counterparts
at 245 million.
Whites barrelly edged blacks

01:50:14.810 --> 01:50:16.810
and population at a ratio of

01:50:17.713 --> 01:50:19.713
1.2 to 1 but have a sales

01:50:20.349 --> 01:50:22.450
advantage of 55 to 1 with
their self-owned businesses

01:50:23.252 --> 01:50:25.687
with one paid employee.
This is another sunken place.

01:50:27.220 --> 01:50:29.223
We take a closer look and look
at the different industries in

01:50:29.325 --> 01:50:31.726
comparing the asian
communities with only 4% of

01:50:33.950 --> 01:50:35.950
the population and the african

01:50:35.331 --> 01:50:36.632
american communities as 40%,
10-1.

01:50:39.350 --> 01:50:41.970
We have health care and social
assistance, waste management,

01:50:42.710 --> 01:50:44.106
remediation services,
professional, scientific and

01:50:44.240 --> 01:50:46.240
technical services being the

01:50:48.711 --> 01:50:50.711
top three for the blacks wih

01:50:50.980 --> 01:50:52.680
66% of that.4% coming from
those areas.

01:50:53.116 --> 01:50:55.116
Then on the asian side you

01:50:56.453 --> 01:50:58.854
have accommodation and food
services, retail trade, these

01:50:59.656 --> 01:51:01.656
two account for 73% of that

01:51:03.927 --> 01:51:05.927
.4%.

01:51:10.267 --> 01:51:12.369
in comparison only 8% of sales
that the african american

01:51:12.369 --> 01:51:14.369
community has.

01:51:14.805 --> 01:51:17.139
In the reverse you have zero
in fact charts use letters

01:51:17.374 --> 01:51:19.942
instead of numbers to gauge
the representation of the

01:51:20.477 --> 01:51:21.877
black community in these
businesses.

01:51:23.413 --> 01:51:25.247
So either there is something
wrong -- 
>> thank you.

01:51:25.849 --> 01:51:27.583
>> I'm not finished.
>> either there is something

01:51:28.953 --> 01:51:31.154
wrong with our people or there
is wrong with what you guys

01:51:32.723 --> 01:51:34.624
have going on in government.
We tired.

01:51:35.392 --> 01:51:38.194
We see what is going on.
There is no circulation in our

01:51:38.529 --> 01:51:40.998
communities that's why they
are dilapidated so we have

01:51:40.998 --> 01:51:43.320
neighborhoods and not
communities.
They are dead.

01:51:43.233 --> 01:51:45.670
We want communities and we
want to get thm.

01:51:53.444 --> 01:51:55.846
Thank you.
[Applause]
Good evening council.

01:51:55.846 --> 01:51:58.448
Marcus I'd.
I live in district 3.

01:51:58.983 --> 01:52:01.351
I'm here with the group of
people you've just heard from

01:52:01.418 --> 01:52:03.418
who have been meeting

01:52:04.356 --> 01:52:06.657
regularly to discuss issues
such as the panhandling

01:52:06.758 --> 01:52:08.892
ordinance and loitering
ordinance.
This is a group of individuals

01:52:09.127 --> 01:52:11.462
who feel that they have been
left out of decision making in

01:52:13.464 --> 01:52:15.766
this city and that their
voices aren't represented and

01:52:16.401 --> 01:52:18.703
the press and our local
ordinances and they aim to

01:52:18.703 --> 01:52:21.639
change that.
We've spoken to a number of

01:52:21.740 --> 01:52:23.740
you individually over the last

01:52:26.780 --> 01:52:28.312
few weeks and we have two act
of the council.

01:52:29.514 --> 01:52:31.514
One that the city repeal all

01:52:32.500 --> 01:52:34.500
of its ordinances restricting

01:52:35.453 --> 01:52:37.453
panhandling and begging and

01:52:38.190 --> 01:52:40.191
loitering.
And two this group wants the

01:52:40.526 --> 01:52:42.526
city to establish a commission

01:52:44.630 --> 01:52:46.630
on poverty that is made up of

01:52:46.980 --> 01:52:48.980
poor folks as well as people

01:52:50.350 --> 01:52:52.236
who work along side them to
advise the council on issues

01:52:53.872 --> 01:52:56.274
that effect them directly.
In short we know tht in

01:52:56.676 --> 01:52:58.676
politics if you're not at the

01:52:59.112 --> 01:53:01.112
table you're on the menu and

01:53:02.548 --> 01:53:05.216
we refuse t be on the menu.
So we're demand ag seat at the

01:53:06.786 --> 01:53:09.521
table even if we have to make
that table.
In meeting with you

01:53:09.822 --> 01:53:11.822
individually I understand that

01:53:12.257 --> 01:53:14.257
the council has been advised,

01:53:16.960 --> 01:53:18.960
it is overwhelmingly obvious

01:53:18.531 --> 01:53:20.933
that th city's current
ordinances are

01:53:21.340 --> 01:53:23.340
unconstitutional, wouldn't

01:53:25.805 --> 01:53:27.906
hold tupe scrutiny so we ask
they are repealed immediately,

01:53:29.675 --> 01:53:31.844
not aend amed but repealed
fully.
I understand also that some

01:53:33.280 --> 01:53:35.280
people are saying well try to

01:53:36.216 --> 01:53:38.216
find some sneaksy legal way to

01:53:39.452 --> 01:53:41.452
making a panhandling ordinance

01:53:44.491 --> 01:53:47.292
work with revised language.
I want to reind you not a

01:53:47.428 --> 01:53:49.428
single panhandling ordinance

01:53:52.466 --> 01:53:55.201
across the country has held up
in court since 2013.

01:53:55.702 --> 01:53:58.538
Panhandling ordinances by
definition are content based

01:54:00.574 --> 01:54:02.274
speech restrictions that won't
standup in court.

01:54:03.510 --> 01:54:06.120
So you're at a crossroads.
You could, the courts have

01:54:06.681 --> 01:54:08.681
ruled and it is pretty obvious

01:54:08.950 --> 01:54:10.950
that panhandling ordinances

01:54:12.386 --> 01:54:14.722
and your loitering ordinances
violate our constitutional
rights and it is the wrong

01:54:14.722 --> 01:54:17.230
approach anyways.
You want to reduce the

01:54:17.291 --> 01:54:19.291
negative impacts of

01:54:22.797 --> 01:54:24.865
homelessness don't listen to
winginates who tell you all of

01:54:25.834 --> 01:54:27.834
our needs is a little more

01:54:27.969 --> 01:54:30.871
motivation to get on our feet.
Don't shame or criminalize our

01:54:31.406 --> 01:54:32.673
community, that epihads no
one.

01:54:33.508 --> 01:54:36.343
Rather work on things that
actually reduce poverty, like

01:54:37.545 --> 01:54:39.545
making sure every employee

01:54:39.680 --> 01:54:41.415
including our severely
underpaid sanitation workers

01:54:43.285 --> 01:54:45.285
and firefighters make sure all

01:54:45.554 --> 01:54:47.554
of your employees and

01:54:48.256 --> 01:54:50.357
employees in greensboro get
paid an adequate age.

01:54:51.826 --> 01:54:54.395
And most importantly let's
focus on permanent low income

01:54:54.395 --> 01:54:57.264
affordable housing.
Not shelters, transiggal

01:54:57.466 --> 01:54:59.600
housing, permanent low income
affordable housing.

01:55:00.369 --> 01:55:02.437
And if we get rid of poverty I
guarantee you that most of the

01:55:03.806 --> 01:55:05.806
violence # in this community

01:55:06.475 --> 01:55:08.509
would also stop.
>> if we create opportunities

01:55:10.512 --> 01:55:12.580
for people to get off the
streets then May be we can

01:55:12.981 --> 01:55:14.981
have a sylvited conversation

01:55:15.384 --> 01:55:17.252
about people's behavior while
they're on the streets but as

01:55:18.621 --> 01:55:20.621
it is most people who

01:55:21.557 --> 01:55:23.958
panhandle they do so out of
necessity not out of choice.

01:55:24.994 --> 01:55:27.629
So you could attempt to amend
theordinance but I guarantee

01:55:28.230 --> 01:55:30.965
you that we'll be right back
here fighting you on it or you

01:55:31.467 --> 01:55:33.467
could do the right thing and

01:55:33.970 --> 01:55:36.205
work with this community
rather than against them.

01:55:36.706 --> 01:55:38.640
You could repeal the current
ordinance immediately and

01:55:38.741 --> 01:55:41.176
instruct the police not to
issue another tickets for

01:55:41.377 --> 01:55:43.345
engaging in constitutional
protected speech and then we

01:55:43.679 --> 01:55:45.981
could work together on
actually getting people off

01:55:48.217 --> 01:55:50.218
the street.
The city could be a mauled for

01:55:51.688 --> 01:55:53.688
the nation, a city that

01:55:53.790 --> 01:55:56.625
uplifts low income citizens
rather than perpetuating

01:55:57.360 --> 01:55:59.963
homelessness through
criminalization.
If you have $55 million for

01:55:59.963 --> 01:56:01.963
parking decks thn you could

01:56:01.998 --> 01:56:04.320
fine a way to pay people a
living wage and fund

01:56:07.471 --> 01:56:09.205
affordable housing.
And you could fund someone

01:56:11.341 --> 01:56:13.341
with the cure violence program

01:56:13.377 --> 01:56:16.450
too but for now with wagers so
low and housing out of reach

01:56:16.713 --> 01:56:19.482
for so many homelessness is
not going to end at any time

01:56:19.783 --> 01:56:22.170
soon.
So you can expect to keep

01:56:23.854 --> 01:56:25.854
hearing from us.

01:56:26.190 --> 01:56:28.190
Until you do the right thing

01:56:30.161 --> 01:56:32.161
we're not going anywhere and

01:56:32.730 --> 01:56:35.650
I'll end by saying we're poor
but we're not stupid.

01:56:35.650 --> 01:56:37.234
So.
Thank you.

01:56:37.234 --> 01:56:39.234
[Applause]

01:56:46.811 --> 01:56:48.345
>> thank you.
>> good evening.

01:56:52.830 --> 01:56:54.517
I'm not speaking on the issue
[Muffled].
Will be very brief.

01:56:54.518 --> 01:56:56.518
>> we're trying to keep things

01:56:57.254 --> 01:56:59.254
grouped together so if you're

01:57:00.992 --> 01:57:02.393
you can speak later.
>> okay.

01:57:04.829 --> 01:57:07.264
It does have a correlation to
homelessness though.

01:57:09.267 --> 01:57:11.267
>> we're trying to I am trying

01:57:12.303 --> 01:57:14.303
to keep everything grouped

01:57:15.106 --> 01:57:17.106
together.

01:57:17.643 --> 01:57:19.977
>> okay.
Okay.
>> what is your topic, what

01:57:22.281 --> 01:57:24.549
are you trying to speak about?
>> the avenue bridge but a lot

01:57:27.652 --> 01:57:29.754
of -- 
>> let's talk about that later

01:57:31.823 --> 01:57:33.823
and try to finish up on the

01:57:35.528 --> 01:57:37.596
panhandling.
>> my name is catherine

01:57:37.596 --> 01:57:39.596
holcome.

01:57:40.599 --> 01:57:42.100
I've lived in greensboro 59
years.

01:57:43.869 --> 01:57:45.869
I live at 1911 rose press

01:57:46.238 --> 01:57:48.238
drive.

01:57:48.707 --> 01:57:50.708
I am here to say that I'm
ignorant having lived here and

01:57:51.210 --> 01:57:53.210
been a school teacher and all

01:57:54.514 --> 01:57:56.648
of that, I live in a peaceful
neighborhood, I want everyone

01:57:57.500 --> 01:57:59.885
to be in a peaceful
neighborhood and now that I'm

01:58:02.822 --> 01:58:04.822
old I finally got with

01:58:05.358 --> 01:58:07.920
political activists and have
learned about more about th

01:58:08.294 --> 01:58:10.395
city and how it works and
started attending council

01:58:11.631 --> 01:58:13.631
meetings.

01:58:13.667 --> 01:58:15.934
The panhandling issue, when I
was last at the city council

01:58:17.700 --> 01:58:19.104
meeting.
At the end of the panhandling

01:58:25.440 --> 01:58:27.714
issue yvonne johnson leaned
over and said are we

01:58:27.714 --> 01:58:29.714
constitutional in lean or not

01:58:29.850 --> 01:58:31.717
and the answer was and I just
breathed that someone asked

01:58:34.354 --> 01:58:36.789
that after lots of talk and
the answer was we'll have to

01:58:40.827 --> 01:58:43.362
check on it.
We used to be.

01:58:45.599 --> 01:58:47.599
I'll tell you I am shocked

01:58:49.503 --> 01:58:51.503
that that has to come from

01:58:56.430 --> 01:58:58.212
people who are wanting from
one question -- God I'm

01:58:58.212 --> 01:59:00.880
nervous.
From one question out of the

01:59:04.152 --> 01:59:06.152
entire desk up there to people

01:59:07.550 --> 01:59:09.550
that say we'll checkism this

01:59:09.891 --> 01:59:12.525
is a long prblem.
I can't believe I'm standing
here.

01:59:15.596 --> 01:59:18.565
I am standing here, the world
is coming to an end or

01:59:19.400 --> 01:59:22.202
something and I think it has
with our presidency and the

01:59:22.937 --> 01:59:25.739
violence that has come to this
city.
I used to drive with my mother

01:59:26.174 --> 01:59:28.174
to another side of town.

01:59:29.210 --> 01:59:31.445
We have domestic workers we
would take home and it was

01:59:34.148 --> 01:59:36.883
like I was riding into a
foreign countpry from my
neighborhood.

01:59:37.586 --> 01:59:40.388
Looked out the window, I just
couldn't believe what I was

01:59:40.389 --> 01:59:42.560
seeing, so different from my
neighborhood in greensboro.

01:59:43.859 --> 01:59:46.930
And today I still drive
visitors through there,

01:59:47.295 --> 01:59:49.597
visitors from other countries,
they say wow.

01:59:50.932 --> 01:59:52.932
Who lives here.

01:59:56.172 --> 01:59:58.172
Must be black people.

02:00:00.209 --> 02:00:02.209
If greensboro is visibly so

02:00:02.745 --> 02:00:04.745
divided and so in hurt then I

02:00:04.847 --> 02:00:06.214
pray that you will do
something.

02:00:08.183 --> 02:00:10.183
I can't even talk anymore.

02:00:17.590 --> 02:00:19.590
Thank you.

02:00:21.263 --> 02:00:23.263
Mr. City attorney.

02:00:24.633 --> 02:00:27.268
>> is as council is aware
based on my office's

02:00:27.670 --> 02:00:29.670
researchersion cans with most

02:00:30.106 --> 02:00:32.106
of you including my

02:00:32.408 --> 02:00:34.476
conversation with Councilwoman
Kennedy and you yesterday the

02:00:36.546 --> 02:00:38.546
law changed.

02:00:38.681 --> 02:00:40.681
Regulations that used to be

02:00:40.917 --> 02:00:42.917
considered content neutral,

02:00:43.519 --> 02:00:45.320
that meant that you only need
adlegitimate government

02:00:45.855 --> 02:00:48.157
interest to regulate on
reasonable time, place and

02:00:49.526 --> 02:00:52.194
manner are now deemed by the
supreme court to be content

02:00:53.730 --> 02:00:56.398
based and they are subject to
strict scrutiny.

02:00:59.690 --> 02:01:01.690
It is a major sea change and

02:01:01.404 --> 02:01:03.805
when you are subject to strict
scrutiny you have to

02:01:03.907 --> 02:01:05.675
demonstrate compelling state
interest to regulate and

02:01:06.477 --> 02:01:08.477
because of that the

02:01:08.679 --> 02:01:11.314
panhandling ordinancesond the
country over the past several

02:01:11.315 --> 02:01:13.282
years have started to be
challenged legally as they

02:01:14.510 --> 02:01:16.510
should be.

02:01:16.386 --> 02:01:18.120
And I think it is a great
tribute to greensboro

02:01:18.388 --> 02:01:20.388
community that they have come

02:01:21.625 --> 02:01:23.625
and asked that the law be

02:01:23.761 --> 02:01:25.862
reevaluated and that the law
amended as appropriate.

02:01:26.330 --> 02:01:28.330
Tonight was a great night in

02:01:28.532 --> 02:01:30.200
my opinion because it will let
everybody in greensboro know

02:01:31.135 --> 02:01:33.136
that this is issue and I know
talking to council that

02:01:33.771 --> 02:01:35.771
council is ready to address

02:01:36.707 --> 02:01:38.707
this issue.

02:01:39.944 --> 02:01:42.446
And our office is ready to
start moving forward and we'll

02:01:42.514 --> 02:01:45.115
have initial recommendation on
the next council meeting, the

02:01:45.249 --> 02:01:47.249
business meeting, but this is

02:01:49.153 --> 02:01:51.153
not going to be it is an issue

02:01:51.255 --> 02:01:53.255
that still requires some

02:01:53.991 --> 02:01:56.626
further thought, when we were
looking across the state most

02:01:57.329 --> 02:01:59.329
of our cyster cities

02:01:59.464 --> 02:02:01.866
ordinances are just like ours.
We're now reaching out to

02:02:02.567 --> 02:02:04.835
their attorneys so they can
reach out to their city

02:02:07.372 --> 02:02:10.240
council persons and begin the
conversation as well because
this is something that the

02:02:11.576 --> 02:02:13.576
city can lean on.

02:02:14.120 --> 02:02:16.120
We're going to have to frankly

02:02:17.850 --> 02:02:19.850
look atther permitting process

02:02:19.852 --> 02:02:22.386
not just for panhandling but
for solicitors and peddlers

02:02:22.421 --> 02:02:24.421
and we're going to have to

02:02:25.857 --> 02:02:28.659
look at why we treat
charitable solicitation

02:02:30.796 --> 02:02:33.632
separately from panhandling.
Separately from pedaling an

02:02:34.634 --> 02:02:36.835
soliciting and separately from
some political activities.

02:02:39.105 --> 02:02:41.105
All of which are content based

02:02:41.307 --> 02:02:43.307
regulations.

02:02:43.843 --> 02:02:45.843
This will be a large change in
the law init is appropriate

02:02:46.612 --> 02:02:48.612
for us to begin talking about

02:02:48.914 --> 02:02:50.914
it publicly and the reason we

02:02:51.317 --> 02:02:53.418
need to do this so that
everybody in greensboro can be

02:02:53.920 --> 02:02:56.388
better informed and we'll be
better understanding of the

02:03:00.893 --> 02:03:02.661
council's ultimate actions.
>> tom, I gree this is

02:03:04.230 --> 02:03:06.364
something we need to act on
and in our conversation

02:03:07.267 --> 02:03:09.402
yesterday I know that the city
attorney's office is moving

02:03:12.380 --> 02:03:14.380
forward as quickly as possible

02:03:14.941 --> 02:03:17.376
to address this and address it
comprehensively.
In the meantime, between now

02:03:18.645 --> 02:03:21.113
and the next city council
meeting on April 17th what

02:03:21.781 --> 02:03:24.716
is your best recommendation of
how we should respond to this

02:03:27.870 --> 02:03:29.870
as a city so that allows a

02:03:29.523 --> 02:03:32.458
couple of weeks for the city's
attorney ofice to formulate

02:03:33.493 --> 02:03:35.594
final recommendations to
council.
What would be your remidation

02:03:40.133 --> 02:03:42.635
that we do right now?
>> council has typically taken

02:03:43.400 --> 02:03:45.400
things under advisement before

02:03:46.207 --> 02:03:48.741
they act.
I presented one memo I have

02:03:50.644 --> 02:03:51.945
not present admemo on my next
steps.

02:03:54.281 --> 02:03:56.716
>> the intention of council is
good we want to address this

02:03:59.759 --> 02:04:02.155
law, the question is do they
want to start to address it
tonight when they have not not

02:04:02.557 --> 02:04:05.920
had full time to talking to
their constituents and explain

02:04:05.927 --> 02:04:07.928
their actions to reassure
people that they are doing

02:04:08.763 --> 02:04:10.763
things deliberately and not

02:04:12.166 --> 02:04:14.501
responding to a half hazard
way to a real problem?

02:04:15.350 --> 02:04:16.836
The question is how to get the
solution right.

02:04:19.374 --> 02:04:21.374
This conversation has begun it

02:04:21.543 --> 02:04:23.677
went very far tonight, people
speaking from the heart about

02:04:23.912 --> 02:04:25.912
real issues.

02:04:26.948 --> 02:04:28.315
We hear it, we've heard your
direction.

02:04:30.385 --> 02:04:32.819
We are moving on it, we will
have specific recommendations

02:04:33.521 --> 02:04:36.391
on the 17th and I think it
is appropriate to address it
with them.

02:04:39.861 --> 02:04:41.662
>> do you believe that between
now and then we should

02:04:41.897 --> 02:04:44.165
continue the course that we
have continued or do you

02:04:47.869 --> 02:04:49.869
believe that given theersion

02:04:49.904 --> 02:04:52.406
if you've gleamed so far from
legal perspective that there

02:04:52.942 --> 02:04:54.942
is legitimate reason between

02:04:55.770 --> 02:04:57.946
now and the 17th where we
can address this in a more

02:04:58.781 --> 02:05:01.683
formal long-term capacity to
temporarily establish a

02:05:02.418 --> 02:05:04.619
moratorium related to
panhandling regulations.

02:05:05.254 --> 02:05:07.254
>> I don't think that it would

02:05:08.757 --> 02:05:10.757
do any harm to put a

02:05:11.794 --> 02:05:13.794
moratorium out on licensing

02:05:14.130 --> 02:05:16.640
and panhandling an solicitors
and peddlers.

02:05:16.299 --> 02:05:18.660
If we're going to act we have
to act consistently.

02:05:19.602 --> 02:05:21.602
>> I think the issue was more

02:05:22.838 --> 02:05:25.400
towards ticketing too that the
moratorium that we had dussed

02:05:27.277 --> 02:05:29.277
was just can we pot moratorium

02:05:34.551 --> 02:05:36.551
on the action on panhandling.

02:05:37.153 --> 02:05:38.620
>> you can repeal laws, police
respond to laws.

02:05:39.889 --> 02:05:42.524
>> I'm sorry, could you say
that again?
>> police respond to law.

02:05:48.966 --> 02:05:50.966
What the laws are.

02:05:51.301 --> 02:05:53.301
So I would ask council not to

02:05:54.237 --> 02:05:56.839
direct a sworn officer how to
enforce the law I would ask

02:05:59.375 --> 02:06:01.744
this body to deliberately
consider what laws should be

02:06:02.546 --> 02:06:04.546
kept on the books and what

02:06:07.151 --> 02:06:09.151
laws should be mended.

02:06:11.188 --> 02:06:13.389
So asking for a moratorium on
licenseture is separate than

02:06:13.924 --> 02:06:15.958
asking an officer not to
enforce the law on the books,

02:06:16.159 --> 02:06:18.159
which I frankly do not think

02:06:20.498 --> 02:06:23.133
is one good government
practice and two perhaps not

02:06:23.267 --> 02:06:26.360
legalfly forcement.
>> I I jut want to be clear

02:06:27.171 --> 02:06:29.372
if we enforce the moratorium
on the licenseture we're

02:06:30.700 --> 02:06:32.700
talking about now and

02:06:32.109 --> 02:06:34.644
April 17th and what my
expectation would be on

02:06:35.312 --> 02:06:37.380
April 17th your office is
coming back with remidations

02:06:38.183 --> 02:06:40.183
about next steps and then at

02:06:42.420 --> 02:06:44.420
that point if we were # to

02:06:44.656 --> 02:06:46.390
amend, change an ordinance,
eliminate an ordinance

02:06:46.958 --> 02:06:49.793
whatever we were going to do
that would be an appropriate

02:06:51.329 --> 02:06:53.730
way from a governance
standpoint to stop ticketing

02:06:54.666 --> 02:06:56.634
as people panhandling or
whatever the case May be is

02:06:56.668 --> 02:06:59.103
that right?
>> that is correct.

02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:03.808
And ultimately because and
this is what council rally

02:07:05.277 --> 02:07:07.277
will need tee consider

02:07:08.613 --> 02:07:10.613
ultimately on this issue.

02:07:11.650 --> 02:07:13.785
Is what tupe of regulation, if
any is appropriate?

02:07:14.353 --> 02:07:17.880
The fourth circuit, which has
very limited authority on

02:07:18.524 --> 02:07:20.625
panhandling has noted thoothe
municipalities have a

02:07:20.859 --> 02:07:22.859
legitimate, have a real

02:07:24.163 --> 02:07:26.731
interest in protecting public
safety.
So to make a blanket statement

02:07:27.899 --> 02:07:29.899
that all panhandling

02:07:30.136 --> 02:07:32.136
regulations are per se

02:07:32.672 --> 02:07:33.972
unconstitutional I disagree
with.

02:07:36.208 --> 02:07:38.644
Our office can craft what is
called
called the best practices

02:07:38.644 --> 02:07:41.790
under the gnaw law.
That will take more time than

02:07:49.220 --> 02:07:51.220
on the 17th.

02:07:51.457 --> 02:07:54.126
other portions unrelated to
this issue but because of the

02:07:55.610 --> 02:07:57.610
content regulations are looked

02:07:58.598 --> 02:08:00.598
at as well very hard and what

02:08:02.435 --> 02:08:04.970
I find is when we rush we have
unintended consequences.

02:08:10.677 --> 02:08:12.711
>> and I agree with that and I
think tamayor vaughan I would

02:08:13.680 --> 02:08:15.781
ask we make a motion beginning
tonight with this council

02:08:16.182 --> 02:08:18.450
meeting establish a moratorium
on the licenseture requirement

02:08:19.452 --> 02:08:21.452
and I think to yor point

02:08:23.691 --> 02:08:26.259
about rucking in, also in
accord finance with what I've
he

02:08:27.127 --> 02:08:29.228
there needs to be a
conversation and decisions

02:08:30.197 --> 02:08:32.431
made that include the voices
of those with the experience

02:08:32.966 --> 02:08:34.967
in that decision making
process.
You can not speak to a group

02:08:36.703 --> 02:08:38.703
of people of whom you don't

02:08:44.679 --> 02:08:46.813
belong by and large.
You've had conversations

02:08:49.717 --> 02:08:52.119
around the poverty
commissionance I would
establish licensing

02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:54.188
requirement and dfer the
mayor regarding the poverty

02:08:54.188 --> 02:08:56.188
commission.

02:09:01.796 --> 02:09:03.797
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you answered my question in

02:09:06.300 --> 02:09:08.301
your deliberation.
Thank you.

02:09:09.837 --> 02:09:11.837
>> I have spoken with Mr. Hyde

02:09:12.473 --> 02:09:15.376
and others on the topic so I
don't want my comments to be

02:09:16.278 --> 02:09:18.278
certainly misconstrued so I'll

02:09:21.182 --> 02:09:24.151
limit them to what they are.
It is about forummism these

02:09:24.152 --> 02:09:26.687
meetings as I understood them
was about us as a council

02:09:27.188 --> 02:09:29.923
listening to concerns of
citizens thinking deliberately

02:09:31.527 --> 02:09:33.828
about what we hear and then
developing a plan for action

02:09:34.997 --> 02:09:36.998
if that's what the majority
deems to be appropriate.

02:09:37.232 --> 02:09:39.800
consistent with that and with
what this council has done in

02:09:40.335 --> 02:09:42.335
the past I think a number of

02:09:44.473 --> 02:09:47.208
us when we have issues of
interest we have conversations
among each other.

02:09:48.543 --> 02:09:50.579
There is a deliberateative
thought, we can consult with

02:09:51.470 --> 02:09:53.782
professional staff, other
stakeholders so we make an

02:09:54.283 --> 02:09:56.283
informed decision and that's

02:09:56.819 --> 02:09:59.654
in the best interest of our
constituents and more
importantthry the city at
large.

02:10:00.656 --> 02:10:02.357
So I have more concerns about
the fourth.

02:10:02.958 --> 02:10:05.226
And I as a selected member of
the greensboro city council I

02:10:06.128 --> 02:10:08.864
understand when someone call
for a vote sometimes you have

02:10:09.132 --> 02:10:11.166
to vote, not with standing
that it is not the right way

02:10:11.668 --> 02:10:13.668
in my view for us to do

02:10:13.803 --> 02:10:16.238
business but I do feel it is
incumbent upontuse check

02:10:18.400 --> 02:10:20.775
ourselves and think about
process because a bad process

02:10:23.112 --> 02:10:25.682
can produce a bad result.
Further, it can be unfair to

02:10:25.682 --> 02:10:27.682
people who follow the

02:10:29.452 --> 02:10:31.487
understood process; for
example, councilmember

02:10:33.223 --> 02:10:34.857
hightower is passionate about
mwbe she had conversations

02:10:35.258 --> 02:10:38.930
with several persons on
council, got it on a work
session, she had conversations

02:10:39.963 --> 02:10:41.963
with people in the community.

02:10:42.333 --> 02:10:44.660
I'm sure councilmember,
hightower, like organizations

02:10:44.535 --> 02:10:47.470
would love to just force it to
a vote, which we can certainly

02:10:47.771 --> 02:10:49.771
do, but in the interest of the

02:10:50.700 --> 02:10:52.975
city that's not a good forum
and good result, resulting in
bad results.

02:10:53.744 --> 02:10:56.278
So that's my first comment.
If we're called pawn to vote

02:10:56.913 --> 02:10:59.515
and as I've done in the past
vote, it will not be an

02:10:59.517 --> 02:11:01.851
informed decision because the
process hasn't allowed for it

02:11:02.219 --> 02:11:04.621
to be informed but I'll make
the vote and that is what it

02:11:05.289 --> 02:11:07.289
is quite frankly that politics

02:11:07.825 --> 02:11:09.825
at public service.

02:11:10.361 --> 02:11:12.361
That's part of the reason why

02:11:14.898 --> 02:11:17.467
we get bad results.
That's point number one.

02:11:18.169 --> 02:11:20.371
Point number two.
I share frustration but

02:11:20.371 --> 02:11:22.371
perhaps hassen been express

02:11:22.707 --> 02:11:25.175
would the city atorney's
officism and tom I respect you

02:11:25.176 --> 02:11:27.176
as an attorney and office but

02:11:27.278 --> 02:11:29.546
be ag private practitioner it
is hard for me to understand

02:11:30.581 --> 02:11:32.581
why it takes so long to get

02:11:32.716 --> 02:11:34.952
answers to relatively simple
questions.
And I know that this city

02:11:38.189 --> 02:11:40.357
council throws a lot at
professional staff and gives

02:11:41.826 --> 02:11:43.560
emergencies left and right, I
understand and appreciate and

02:11:44.462 --> 02:11:46.597
respect that, I also
understand the city of

02:11:47.298 --> 02:11:49.298
attorney staff has the ability

02:11:49.467 --> 02:11:52.437
to contract and engage outside
council to address these
issues.

02:11:52.638 --> 02:11:55.306
I think ideal process would
have been the issue was raised

02:12:00.178 --> 02:12:03.114
nearly a month ago, staff
meaningful engage with our

02:12:03.348 --> 02:12:05.348
constituents, let them know,

02:12:05.884 --> 02:12:08.185
us have a productive dialogue,
be a work question then we
vote.

02:12:08.286 --> 02:12:10.588
I am concerned about the
timeline and timeliness of
this.

02:12:11.323 --> 02:12:14.259
So I did want to express that
because I do have that

02:12:14.360 --> 02:12:16.528
frustration myself and I
suspect that others have it as

02:12:19.631 --> 02:12:21.631
well.

02:12:21.733 --> 02:12:23.733
Now with standing all of that

02:12:24.690 --> 02:12:26.690
let me be clear we're not in a

02:12:26.138 --> 02:12:27.506
position to make an informed
decision.

02:12:28.174 --> 02:12:31.143
I would implore the rest of
council say that's a wonderful

02:12:31.277 --> 02:12:33.277
idea, let's discuss it, talk

02:12:33.379 --> 02:12:35.747
with stakeholdersic let's have
a work session and vote

02:12:36.115 --> 02:12:38.784
thereafterred inning that we
really need an answer from the

02:12:38.784 --> 02:12:41.190
city attorney's office not
said inning what raleigh May

02:12:41.520 --> 02:12:43.788
think, the school of
government May think, other in

02:12:47.327 --> 02:12:49.610
the state May think.
>> the school of government

02:12:49.763 --> 02:12:51.763
has weighed in on this and
multiple other conversations

02:12:56.350 --> 02:12:58.337
have been had relating to this
and current in saying that and

02:12:58.971 --> 02:13:01.840
as it relates to what we're
asking what I'm asking for

02:13:03.210 --> 02:13:05.210
tonight which is a temporary

02:13:05.445 --> 02:13:07.790
moratorium around the
licenseture requirement I

02:13:07.748 --> 02:13:10.820
don't think there is any
question as to we are standing

02:13:12.485 --> 02:13:15.421
on the right side of the legal
issue to do that; stat correct

02:13:15.855 --> 02:13:17.855
in your opinion?

02:13:18.491 --> 02:13:20.491
>> yes, it is.

02:13:21.128 --> 02:13:22.729
>> that's seconded.
>> second.

02:13:25.432 --> 02:13:26.733
[Off mic]
Okay.

02:13:29.269 --> 02:13:31.269
Just a couple of things.

02:13:31.338 --> 02:13:33.338
I always want to be able to

02:13:35.942 --> 02:13:38.445
sit down with those that are
affected by any decision this

02:13:38.679 --> 02:13:40.679
board makes.

02:13:41.215 --> 02:13:43.583
I have not been invited, nor
have I had the chance to sit

02:13:48.756 --> 02:13:50.123
down with the group that are
involved.

02:13:50.991 --> 02:13:52.991
No matter where they are in

02:13:53.270 --> 02:13:55.262
the city or where they May be.
My concern this evening is I

02:13:57.665 --> 02:13:59.665
want to have that opportunity.

02:14:01.502 --> 02:14:04.171
I don't know if it is because
of a few people are wanting to

02:14:07.642 --> 02:14:09.643
pass something, I don't know
the full why there have been

02:14:10.111 --> 02:14:13.470
meetings and some of us have
not been aware of these
meetings.

02:14:13.515 --> 02:14:15.515
I hear that sometimes from

02:14:19.187 --> 02:14:21.789
other councilmembers.
But whether they are on the

02:14:22.900 --> 02:14:24.459
street or live in a house or
an apartment I have the right

02:14:24.459 --> 02:14:26.960
to know because I represent
you as well.

02:14:27.362 --> 02:14:29.864
And I believe that I should
have that opportunity to sit

02:14:33.200 --> 02:14:35.690
down and listen to see
where/what needs you have and

02:14:36.438 --> 02:14:39.173
what your concerns are with
the panhandling licensing.

02:14:39.875 --> 02:14:41.875
It's not that I don't trust my

02:14:41.910 --> 02:14:44.245
colleagues, it's not at all, I
do trust my colleagues but

02:14:44.479 --> 02:14:46.714
when I hear that we're going
to take a vote on something

02:14:48.484 --> 02:14:50.484
that I am unaware of most of

02:14:51.200 --> 02:14:53.254
what is transpiring here and
we've already gotten a memo

02:14:54.357 --> 02:14:56.357
from the city attorney -- I'm

02:14:56.692 --> 02:14:58.692
speaking please.

02:14:59.295 --> 02:15:01.529
We've gotten a memo from the
city attorney outlining this

02:15:02.164 --> 02:15:05.670
and the next steps and
everyone is insured that there

02:15:05.101 --> 02:15:07.503
will be a commission and
people will be on that

02:15:08.400 --> 02:15:10.739
commission, I believe that I,
as at-large member of this

02:15:11.400 --> 02:15:13.141
city also have a right to be
able to sit down with those

02:15:15.411 --> 02:15:17.913
who are affected.
That's where I stand this
evening.

02:15:21.500 --> 02:15:23.385
I really believe that we all
need to hear.
I don't believe that I can

02:15:23.687 --> 02:15:25.687
make an informed decision or

02:15:26.523 --> 02:15:29.240
have an informed vote when I
still don't understand all of
the particulars.

02:15:29.759 --> 02:15:32.461
How many panhandling lienses
are there.
How many tickets have been

02:15:33.997 --> 02:15:36.298
given in the last month.
How many are affected by the

02:15:36.533 --> 02:15:39.434
fact tht they have a ticket
and then they have to go to

02:15:39.436 --> 02:15:41.436
court and can't afford the

02:15:42.506 --> 02:15:44.240
court costs and is it a whole
domino effect of how much it

02:15:44.508 --> 02:15:46.442
costs and then you can't get
out of jail.

02:15:47.544 --> 02:15:49.779
And then you're back on the
streets and you can't evn get

02:15:50.280 --> 02:15:52.280
a panhandling license then

02:15:52.516 --> 02:15:55.451
because you can't clear the
criminal record.
There are so many variables

02:15:56.554 --> 02:15:58.554
here I really want to know as

02:16:00.992 --> 02:16:03.593
many of them as I can.
And I believe incumbent upon

02:16:05.930 --> 02:16:08.464
me to learn everything I can
about this issue before I take

02:16:09.900 --> 02:16:11.900
a vote on it in what is to be

02:16:12.302 --> 02:16:14.905
a townhall forum that has been
set by this council for well

02:16:15.673 --> 02:16:18.275
over three or four month.
If I'm forced to do a vote I

02:16:19.143 --> 02:16:21.612
will but I truly believe that
we need to sit down and we

02:16:22.313 --> 02:16:24.848
need to sit down with those
affected, not just one of us,

02:16:25.883 --> 02:16:27.150
not just two of us but each of
us.

02:16:33.558 --> 02:16:34.825
Thank you.
En.

02:16:39.864 --> 02:16:42.466
>> well, I think when we start
ed our new schedule for

02:16:44.680 --> 02:16:46.680
council meeting, we said we

02:16:46.104 --> 02:16:48.572
would have a town hall on the
first tuesday night, we would

02:16:53.712 --> 02:16:55.120
have a business session on the
third.

02:16:57.490 --> 02:16:59.490
Now I know we get rete really.

02:16:59.885 --> 02:17:01.886
All of us have our passions
about certain things and we

02:17:02.287 --> 02:17:04.822
want it to happen right away.
We heard this is the townhall

02:17:05.290 --> 02:17:07.659
and that's what we were
supozzed to do is to listen

02:17:08.394 --> 02:17:10.394
and I've told everybody, what

02:17:10.496 --> 02:17:13.310
do you mean you're cutting out
the two meetings?

02:17:14.333 --> 02:17:16.701
no we're not cutting out we're
gibbing you a chance to talk

02:17:17.970 --> 02:17:20.872
at one meeting, we've got two
weeks to talk about it among

02:17:23.914 --> 02:17:25.978
ourselves and then we'll act
on it.
We've heard, uh been

02:17:28.481 --> 02:17:30.481
passionate about the guns,

02:17:31.751 --> 02:17:33.751
about the panhandling, and the

02:17:34.253 --> 02:17:36.389
homelessness, all of these
things are close to my heart

02:17:36.389 --> 02:17:38.389
and something needs to be done

02:17:39.725 --> 02:17:41.226
about it, but this time weal
listen.

02:17:42.629 --> 02:17:44.629
I do not think that we should

02:17:45.632 --> 02:17:47.632
take the vote at the time.

02:17:49.202 --> 02:17:51.904
I think we should from our
attorney it doesn't sound like

02:17:52.839 --> 02:17:54.173
he is very strong on the
answer.

02:17:55.308 --> 02:17:58.276
We need a stronger answer from
the attorney, we need to know

02:17:59.113 --> 02:18:01.113
when we make a decision that

02:18:01.515 --> 02:18:03.916
it is a sound decision, that
it is legal and that we can

02:18:05.786 --> 02:18:07.854
follow through wih it.
Underline and keep it in mind

02:18:08.422 --> 02:18:11.123
that what we're going to do is
to do the best thing for those

02:18:13.260 --> 02:18:15.260
people who are in the streets.

02:18:15.428 --> 02:18:17.970
I know the folks that go to
the irc.

02:18:18.699 --> 02:18:20.533
I go there every other sunday
morning, used to go every

02:18:21.335 --> 02:18:23.335
sunday now I'm going every

02:18:23.671 --> 02:18:26.390
other sunday, the new sunday
school happened.
So I know the people and I

02:18:30.344 --> 02:18:32.645
know they have needs.
So we will do something.

02:18:34.482 --> 02:18:37.351
I hope you'll have enough
faith in us to know we will do
something.

02:18:37.351 --> 02:18:39.686
If it is not passed tonight
then we will do something but

02:18:41.880 --> 02:18:43.557
I think we ought to stick to
what we said when we started,

02:18:45.393 --> 02:18:47.560
we said we would listen on the
first and make decisions on

02:18:49.530 --> 02:18:51.798
the third.
we've already taken one vote

02:18:52.367 --> 02:18:54.367
during this meeting tonight,

02:19:10.850 --> 02:19:12.850
if you recall.

02:19:12.221 --> 02:19:14.323
>> it seems to me weave only
heard from one group or one

02:19:14.323 --> 02:19:17.258
point of view tonight.
I think there is a much larger

02:19:17.826 --> 02:19:19.826
group of citizens in our city

02:19:21.830 --> 02:19:23.830
who are affected by this and

02:19:26.869 --> 02:19:29.170
that is people who have this
for them what I think it is

02:19:29.905 --> 02:19:31.639
sometimes an unpleasant
encounter where they feel

02:19:35.644 --> 02:19:38.479
threatened and unsafe.
And that's, you know what I

02:19:40.215 --> 02:19:42.215
hear a lot about so I think

02:19:45.555 --> 02:19:47.889
that's, that group has to be
considered as well.

02:19:48.190 --> 02:19:51.920
And you know I'd just like to
say something in defense of

02:19:52.294 --> 02:19:54.462
amy murphy whom I think has
been somewhat in line here

02:19:56.310 --> 02:19:58.310
this evening, I think what

02:20:01.705 --> 02:20:04.206
she, I think she has spent
considerable personal time and

02:20:04.374 --> 02:20:06.374
resources working with a

02:20:07.430 --> 02:20:09.430
community in our city and I

02:20:10.313 --> 02:20:11.980
think she has their best
interest in mind as well as

02:20:16.352 --> 02:20:19.540
the city.
And so I think she is, I think

02:20:20.290 --> 02:20:22.290
what she has said perhaps is

02:20:22.592 --> 02:20:24.592
just been misunderstood or

02:20:25.429 --> 02:20:27.429
misrepresented and so I just

02:20:29.366 --> 02:20:31.366
really wanted to make that

02:20:31.568 --> 02:20:32.901
comment somewhat in her
defense.

02:20:37.341 --> 02:20:39.609
But you know this is a big
picture item we are looking at

02:20:40.477 --> 02:20:42.278
tonight and it is not going to
get solved tonight.

02:20:43.313 --> 02:20:45.313
It is not going to get solved

02:20:47.500 --> 02:20:49.500
quickly but it needs to be

02:20:50.587 --> 02:20:52.923
comprehensive.
>> Ms. Hightower.

02:20:52.923 --> 02:20:55.725
>> thank you.
First of all, let m just say

02:20:56.930 --> 02:20:58.662
michelle I support you, I
understand what you're saying,

02:20:59.397 --> 02:21:02.198
I do.
and so I'm willing to support

02:21:02.433 --> 02:21:04.433
you on that because you're not

02:21:07.571 --> 02:21:08.938
asking for us to do a
permanent.

02:21:10.407 --> 02:21:12.407
I also waned to do a

02:21:13.745 --> 02:21:16.130
moratorium on contracts untul
we got mwbe straightened out

02:21:16.481 --> 02:21:18.481
and we didn't do it and we

02:21:19.317 --> 02:21:21.317
should have because the report

02:21:22.190 --> 02:21:24.210
you heard tonight was dismal
and we have not forced the

02:21:24.589 --> 02:21:26.589
program and the policies that

02:21:30.695 --> 02:21:33.330
we already have in place that
would work that if enforcement

02:21:34.266 --> 02:21:36.600
was made to have happen.
So I get it when you want to

02:21:38.503 --> 02:21:41.305
have maybe a slowdown, a
little bit and less comeback

02:21:42.140 --> 02:21:44.474
and talk about it, let's have
a work session if you will

02:21:46.450 --> 02:21:48.813
about it, let's just not make
another action until we know

02:21:50.716 --> 02:21:52.716
exactly what legally we can

02:21:53.151 --> 02:21:55.553
and can't do, but it has come
to a consensus from the city

02:21:57.889 --> 02:22:00.224
attorney that the ordinances
are not constitutional.

02:22:01.626 --> 02:22:04.329
And because the laws have
changed.
And I think that within itself

02:22:05.464 --> 02:22:07.464
is enough to make us want to

02:22:07.900 --> 02:22:09.901
stop and take a real hard
serious look at where we're

02:22:12.638 --> 02:22:14.638
going.

02:22:16.750 --> 02:22:18.977
I have concerns not only about
the panhandle but people that

02:22:19.511 --> 02:22:21.511
can come to my door and knock

02:22:21.615 --> 02:22:23.615
on my door and sell stuff and

02:22:26.919 --> 02:22:29.488
you don't have any kind of
identification.
I think we've got to look at

02:22:29.722 --> 02:22:32.357
that as a wholism I think the
panhandling was a little bit

02:22:33.760 --> 02:22:35.861
more serious because people
are getting -- 

02:22:36.595 --> 02:22:39.198
[Inaudible]
As mary kay said about getting

02:22:40.330 --> 02:22:41.901
a ticket but that ticket
people get tickets every day

02:22:42.869 --> 02:22:44.869
and people suffer every day to

02:22:45.505 --> 02:22:48.240
go to court.
# and not be able to pay the

02:22:49.142 --> 02:22:51.377
ticket, pay the fine.
They wind up doing the time

02:22:52.712 --> 02:22:54.712
and then they wind up behind

02:22:56.950 --> 02:22:58.618
bars that turns them
into -- again because prison

02:23:01.688 --> 02:23:03.723
is sabusiness.
S so there is a whole lot of

02:23:04.725 --> 02:23:07.226
concern hre.
And I hear you and I

02:23:07.561 --> 02:23:10.496
appreciate it how you feel
about it and I respect you and

02:23:11.898 --> 02:23:14.701
so when you talk to me about
it I certainly said I would

02:23:15.102 --> 02:23:17.102
support the moratorium and I

02:23:22.409 --> 02:23:25.111
still stand by that.
That dos not preclude us from

02:23:25.646 --> 02:23:28.348
having the discussion and
conversation about what we
need to do.

02:23:29.350 --> 02:23:31.350
And yes include the people

02:23:33.521 --> 02:23:35.822
that it greatly improjects
income because that's how we

02:23:35.857 --> 02:23:37.824
get to.
Now what I heard tonight was

02:23:38.860 --> 02:23:40.594
for the first time was a
poverty commission.

02:23:41.596 --> 02:23:44.431
I hadn't heard that before and
we had sessions on poverty

02:23:45.866 --> 02:23:47.601
three years ago and I told the
mayor then when you have

02:23:48.170 --> 02:23:50.671
discussions on positivety
you've got to include the

02:23:53.341 --> 02:23:55.341
people that it effects.

02:23:59.681 --> 02:24:02.316
So you know I have some ideas
around that I think we need to
fully discuss.

02:24:03.885 --> 02:24:05.686
Tonight having a town hall and
sometimes discussing it out is

02:24:06.550 --> 02:24:08.690
what we need thoodo.
People need to hear us respond

02:24:08.991 --> 02:24:11.526
to their concerns they are
bringing to their dais and

02:24:12.270 --> 02:24:14.270
that was one of the reasons

02:24:15.364 --> 02:24:17.364
why we shifted to a townhall

02:24:18.500 --> 02:24:21.100
is because we were not giving
adequate attention to people,

02:24:21.670 --> 02:24:23.670
we were giving them 30

02:24:24.373 --> 02:24:26.675
minutes, that was it and thm
everybody was all up in arms

02:24:27.710 --> 02:24:29.944
if you talked to one person or
you address one person so now

02:24:32.848 --> 02:24:34.582
tonight we can not do that.
We can put full attention to

02:24:35.985 --> 02:24:37.752
the fact we're not even having
a break tonight I think that's

02:24:39.922 --> 02:24:41.922
great.

02:24:42.558 --> 02:24:44.660
We're focused on why people
are coming here you know

02:24:45.294 --> 02:24:47.294
because the fact we are making

02:24:48.931 --> 02:24:50.931
citizen concerns priority.

02:24:51.167 --> 02:24:53.167
>> and I appreciate that.

02:24:53.669 --> 02:24:56.504
And I will to Councilman
Outling's earlier statement
that is fair.

02:24:59.442 --> 02:25:01.210
That we set up townhalls to be
townhalls and not to be the

02:25:04.714 --> 02:25:06.714
place to hold a vote and from

02:25:06.816 --> 02:25:08.816
a procedural standpoint that's

02:25:10.653 --> 02:25:13.388
absolutely true.
So I will respect that.

02:25:13.690 --> 02:25:16.158
Those were the agreements we
made as a body and that we

02:25:17.127 --> 02:25:19.462
need to honor as a body
because otherwise we

02:25:19.563 --> 02:25:21.563
jeopardize what we're trying

02:25:24.401 --> 02:25:26.936
to establish as a townhall.
I do believe from
conversations with the city

02:25:29.172 --> 02:25:30.906
attorney that we will have
good solid starting

02:25:32.409 --> 02:25:34.444
information with inn the next
two weeks.

02:25:34.678 --> 02:25:37.147
I do believe that this is a
critical issue that has to be

02:25:37.181 --> 02:25:39.181
addressed and I do believe

02:25:39.583 --> 02:25:41.583
that we're standing outside of

02:25:41.986 --> 02:25:43.986
what is constitutionalally

02:25:45.522 --> 02:25:48.900
appropriate.
So suffice I'll be asking for

02:25:50.795 --> 02:25:53.463
this vote on the 17th, bt -- 
>> and I hope maybe we could

02:25:53.698 --> 02:25:56.267
have some kind of a work
session in between so we can

02:25:56.267 --> 02:25:58.502
really -- 
>> yes.
And I think something else is

02:26:01.172 --> 02:26:03.540
important to mary kay's point
is the group of folks that

02:26:04.141 --> 02:26:06.141
have been doing this work

02:26:06.477 --> 02:26:08.477
people experiencing

02:26:09.114 --> 02:26:11.715
homelessness have come to
Councilman Outling and mayor

02:26:12.250 --> 02:26:14.318
vaughan the first two members
of council they came to speak

02:26:14.786 --> 02:26:17.154
to but it is my understanding
that y'all's intention is to

02:26:17.522 --> 02:26:19.723
talk to every member of the
city council about your

02:26:19.824 --> 02:26:21.958
feelings and positions and
things like that and I respect

02:26:25.960 --> 02:26:27.598
that and it is and will
continue to be a personal
issue with me.

02:26:27.733 --> 02:26:29.733
I spend every day with people

02:26:31.470 --> 02:26:33.470
who are living this out.

02:26:33.872 --> 02:26:35.306
And it is hard not to be
compassionate.

02:26:36.141 --> 02:26:38.609
It is also concerning to me
when I think that when there

02:26:38.943 --> 02:26:40.943
is standards set across the

02:26:41.279 --> 02:26:43.279
country that we're outside

02:26:45.818 --> 02:26:47.953
what has not been
constitutionally correct and I

02:26:47.953 --> 02:26:50.188
believe that we are.
But in the meantime I do hope

02:26:50.990 --> 02:26:52.990
on the 17th and I believe we

02:26:53.592 --> 02:26:55.593
will on the 17th have had
time between then to have

02:26:56.610 --> 02:26:58.620
conversations as a group to
have time between now and then

02:26:59.965 --> 02:27:02.600
to establish what can really
be born into a poverty

02:27:04.704 --> 02:27:06.704
commission.

02:27:06.739 --> 02:27:08.941
What we can do as it relates
to panhandling licenses and

02:27:08.941 --> 02:27:11.476
requirements and then the last
thing I'll say is this, none

02:27:11.977 --> 02:27:13.977
of the nine people sitting up

02:27:14.914 --> 02:27:16.914
here including myself have any

02:27:18.518 --> 02:27:21.120
idea the strength it takes to
walk into this building and

02:27:21.921 --> 02:27:23.921
walk up to that podium and

02:27:24.724 --> 02:27:26.658
expose yourself in the most
personal prescribet parts of

02:27:27.960 --> 02:27:30.195
your life to try to fight for
something that you need and

02:27:30.596 --> 02:27:32.596
you believe is right!

02:27:33.266 --> 02:27:35.267
And I have profound and deep
respect for every human being

02:27:35.969 --> 02:27:38.537
that walked up there and did
that tonight.
Thank you all for coming in

02:27:39.306 --> 02:27:40.806
here and doing it.
>> absolutely.

02:27:44.144 --> 02:27:46.178
Absolutely.
>> don't give up on us.

02:27:47.800 --> 02:27:50.480
We're not giving up on you.
I think we wil have something

02:27:50.850 --> 02:27:53.118
concrete on the 17th.
And so that means we're going

02:27:53.554 --> 02:27:55.554
to want to have it in te work

02:27:56.223 --> 02:27:59.580
session prior to, but I know
you'll be communicating with

02:28:00.260 --> 02:28:02.361
us in advance.
So marcus I would encourage

02:28:02.963 --> 02:28:04.963
you to reach out to the rest

02:28:07.701 --> 02:28:10.690
of council in the meantime to
kind of bring them tupe sped

02:28:11.439 --> 02:28:13.439
on the discussions.

02:28:14.876 --> 02:28:17.344
And then part of the bards
and commission that I was

02:28:17.411 --> 02:28:20.313
going to spike that at the end
of the meeting at our council

02:28:20.448 --> 02:28:22.448
comments and I'll save that

02:28:22.850 --> 02:28:24.850
for the end and I thought for

02:28:24.885 --> 02:28:26.885
boards and commissions maybe

02:28:26.954 --> 02:28:28.954
we could incorporate some sort

02:28:29.791 --> 02:28:32.226
of a poverty commission with
the boards and commissions and

02:28:33.228 --> 02:28:35.228
we could talk about that at

02:28:36.497 --> 02:28:38.497
the end of the meeting but

02:28:38.533 --> 02:28:40.670
that was worn out of these
discussions as well.

02:28:43.404 --> 02:28:46.374
So we still have some speakers
left.
Let's, Mr. Petty and tom

02:28:53.480 --> 02:28:55.249
taylor on parking decks.
And then I think everybody

02:28:56.318 --> 02:28:58.318
else has kind of just

02:29:07.896 --> 02:29:09.564
miscellaneous topics and there
aren't, I don't think there

02:29:15.137 --> 02:29:17.772
are multiples.
Why don't you go ahead.

02:29:19.775 --> 02:29:21.510
>> I've got to say something
about the panhandle.

02:29:23.646 --> 02:29:25.646
It is real simple folks, it is

02:29:26.248 --> 02:29:28.248
unconstitutional.

02:29:29.418 --> 02:29:31.920
What we need next meetingself
votes to get off the books,

02:29:33.880 --> 02:29:35.880
none of this gibber jabber get

02:29:37.961 --> 02:29:40.729
it off the books it is
unconstitutional.
How many other
unconstitutional laws you know

02:29:41.197 --> 02:29:43.333
to keep on the books, is this
the only one, one you find

02:29:43.333 --> 02:29:44.900
out something is wrong you
have to fix it.

02:29:45.735 --> 02:29:48.637
And if you're not going to do
it tonight do it in two weeks

02:29:49.438 --> 02:29:51.438
and I'm not talking about a

02:29:52.740 --> 02:29:54.740
new law, I'm talking about get

02:29:54.577 --> 02:29:57.790
rid of the bad laws next
meeting.
Thank you.

02:30:02.552 --> 02:30:04.552
Now I'm, I'm hester petting

02:30:05.588 --> 02:30:07.991
3402 canber street, district
3.
This council considers

02:30:07.991 --> 02:30:10.250
downtown greensboro to be
heart of the city, I'veheard

02:30:10.260 --> 02:30:12.327
you talk about that, heart of
the city, pouring millions of

02:30:12.595 --> 02:30:14.595
dollars into the central

02:30:14.932 --> 02:30:16.733
business district with the
expectation that eventually

02:30:17.234 --> 02:30:19.234
some of those dollars will

02:30:19.569 --> 02:30:20.937
trickle out into greensboro
at-large.

02:30:24.374 --> 02:30:26.642
This is gingerification of
downtown and costly.

02:30:26.643 --> 02:30:28.643
Millions of dollars of debt

02:30:30.800 --> 02:30:32.882
for parking decks to subsidize
luxury hotels, millions of

02:30:33.851 --> 02:30:35.785
dollars in debt for the
beautification projects such

02:30:38.689 --> 02:30:40.689
as the planned street case elm

02:30:41.592 --> 02:30:43.393
and bell meet streets and
Mr. Carol's neighborhood.

02:30:44.528 --> 02:30:47.263
The expectation of down is
also exclusive; the homeless,

02:30:47.966 --> 02:30:49.966
poor, people of color are

02:30:50.501 --> 02:30:52.703
being pushed out and kept out
of downtown.

02:30:53.438 --> 02:30:55.438
So tonight I suggest we change

02:30:55.840 --> 02:30:57.840
the city motto from the gate

02:30:59.477 --> 02:31:02.412
city to the gated city.
Of course there are no gate

02:31:03.614 --> 02:31:05.382
houses at the entrance points
into downtown but there are

02:31:06.518 --> 02:31:08.819
gate keepers; the police, the
city manager, the city

02:31:10.522 --> 02:31:12.523
council.
There are calls for the

02:31:15.160 --> 02:31:17.160
homeless to be removed from

02:31:18.496 --> 02:31:20.496
downtown and at the behest

02:31:20.765 --> 02:31:22.833
well upheavalled city.
The city council has limited

02:31:23.502 --> 02:31:25.737
the people's use of their own
public spaces with

02:31:25.737 --> 02:31:27.705
unconstitutional panhandling
and loitering laws.

02:31:29.708 --> 02:31:31.708
The police are on hand to

02:31:31.843 --> 02:31:33.611
arrest anyone who exercises
their right of free speech

02:31:34.479 --> 02:31:36.479
without the city's prior

02:31:36.581 --> 02:31:38.582
permission.
And although the police have

02:31:39.851 --> 02:31:41.851
not been, I hope, officially

02:31:41.854 --> 02:31:44.289
asked to do so too many
officers feel free to harass

02:31:46.592 --> 02:31:48.626
and assault people of color
especially young african

02:31:48.961 --> 02:31:50.961
american males that dare to

02:31:51.630 --> 02:31:53.498
come into the gated city.
A lot of access to public

02:31:55.501 --> 02:31:57.501
spaces the loss of public

02:31:57.837 --> 02:31:59.837
spaces by all but the white

02:31:59.973 --> 02:32:01.973
and well off has got to stop.

02:32:02.475 --> 02:32:04.475
I call on the city council to

02:32:05.411 --> 02:32:08.346
stop financing the
gingification of downtown
greensboro, I call on the city

02:32:09.649 --> 02:32:11.649
council to repeal all

02:32:12.685 --> 02:32:14.685
unconstitutional restraints on

02:32:16.656 --> 02:32:18.691
speech and access to public
space spaces, I call on the

02:32:20.160 --> 02:32:22.895
city council and manager to
mandate that the police
department stop racist

02:32:23.596 --> 02:32:25.596
policies that allow officers

02:32:26.232 --> 02:32:28.232
to detain and interrogate

02:32:28.868 --> 02:32:30.602
citizens just because they are
downtown while black.

02:32:32.806 --> 02:32:35.576
I call on the city council and
the city manager to require

02:32:35.576 --> 02:32:38.177
that the city police
department enforce a zero

02:32:41.140 --> 02:32:43.215
tolerance policy on
unprofessional behavior boy

02:32:43.316 --> 02:32:45.851
police officers.
I understand the city council

02:32:47.454 --> 02:32:49.989
members have watched some of
the police body cam video

02:32:51.192 --> 02:32:53.727
related to the arrest of the
cerea jones and three others

02:32:54.695 --> 02:32:56.763
on September 10th -- no, we
have not.

02:32:57.431 --> 02:32:59.431
>> you haven't watched any of

02:33:00.601 --> 02:33:02.602
the videos.
>> no we have not.

02:33:03.504 --> 02:33:05.504
>> let me finish, put 30

02:33:07.842 --> 02:33:09.842
seconds back on there.

02:33:11.112 --> 02:33:13.413
>> I understand that you have
or will petition the north

02:33:14.348 --> 02:33:16.449
carolina court of appeals
sualistic gag order but that

02:33:16.517 --> 02:33:18.685
remedy takes month.
It ha aleady been a year and

02:33:19.487 --> 02:33:22.122
a half since the arrest of
those four young black men and

02:33:22.723 --> 02:33:25.360
many of us want to know why
and how this injustice

02:33:25.360 --> 02:33:26.627
occurred and we want to know
now.

02:33:28.763 --> 02:33:30.763
# as a citizen of greensboro I

02:33:32.467 --> 02:33:34.201
have no authority over the
police force and how

02:33:34.669 --> 02:33:36.336
individual officers coduct
themselves on the job.

02:33:38.206 --> 02:33:40.941
I have no authority over the
city manager's office.

02:33:41.976 --> 02:33:44.780
I can not direct to mandate
all police officers act in

02:33:44.479 --> 02:33:46.480
professional and
service-oriented manner at al

02:33:47.649 --> 02:33:49.649
times and to all citizens.

02:33:50.252 --> 02:33:52.252
The only recourse I have as a

02:33:53.188 --> 02:33:55.550
citizen to effect any change
in the police department is

02:33:55.624 --> 02:33:57.925
for you, the elected
representatives of the people

02:33:58.693 --> 02:34:00.693
of greensboro, therefore I ask

02:34:02.364 --> 02:34:05.266
you to watch all three hours
of the video and I want you to

02:34:06.235 --> 02:34:08.536
speak publicly about what you
see on the video at the next

02:34:09.104 --> 02:34:12.730
council meeting.
>> no.
We can not.
We can not do that.

02:34:14.109 --> 02:34:16.510
>> let me finish, if you do't
mind, did I interrupt any of

02:34:17.145 --> 02:34:18.412
you I'm sorry, did I.
No.

02:34:21.784 --> 02:34:23.784
Let me finish.

02:34:23.819 --> 02:34:25.819
Let the judge charge each of

02:34:26.655 --> 02:34:29.557
you with contempt of court for
disobeying the gag order

02:34:31.930 --> 02:34:33.930
because it is your duty to

02:34:33.796 --> 02:34:35.796
discuss police matters openly

02:34:35.865 --> 02:34:38.100
with constituents and you
should not let anymore time

02:34:39.869 --> 02:34:42.204
pass or a contempt of court
charge can stop you from

02:34:42.605 --> 02:34:44.906
sifting tupe the problem of
police misconduct in this

02:34:45.408 --> 02:34:47.408
city.

02:34:47.510 --> 02:34:49.811
Thank you.
{{{{{{{

02:34:49.979 --> 02:34:51.979
>> stand up for the people.

02:34:52.616 --> 02:34:54.317
Don't just talk about it.
>> Mr. Carrutherss can yu

02:34:56.453 --> 02:34:58.453
speak to why we did not watch

02:34:59.790 --> 02:35:01.790
the video so that the public

02:35:01.825 --> 02:35:04.159
knows that's watching as well.
>> as council has already

02:35:04.728 --> 02:35:07.329
announced it was decided that
they would not accept the

02:35:09.466 --> 02:35:11.466
court order to be gagged that

02:35:12.200 --> 02:35:14.370
they wanted to demonstrate
through the court system that

02:35:17.274 --> 02:35:19.877
they have the political right
and the free speech right to

02:35:19.877 --> 02:35:22.712
discuss this when they think
it is appropriate and they did

02:35:23.647 --> 02:35:25.647
not think a judicial body

02:35:25.649 --> 02:35:27.649
should restrain an elected

02:35:45.336 --> 02:35:46.870
legislative body in this way.
>> good evening.

02:35:48.306 --> 02:35:50.140
Tom taylor.
409d. Parkway street,

02:35:50.374 --> 02:35:52.609
greensboro.
I am here to talk about

02:35:53.578 --> 02:35:55.579
parking decks.
Going to take a little

02:35:55.713 --> 02:35:57.848
different approach to what
some others have said.

02:35:58.215 --> 02:36:00.215
one of the speakers earlier in

02:36:02.521 --> 02:36:04.521
the homeless and panhandling

02:36:04.623 --> 02:36:06.724
yipe said that the city was
committed to spend $55 million

02:36:07.325 --> 02:36:09.326
on parking decks an I guess
that's about the right number,

02:36:10.595 --> 02:36:13.197
but I'm here to take a
completely different approach
to this.

02:36:13.965 --> 02:36:16.100
I'm here to encourage council
to continue your support for

02:36:17.268 --> 02:36:19.970
the parking decks.
I haven't heard much publicity

02:36:20.839 --> 02:36:22.839
about them recently, I know

02:36:23.842 --> 02:36:26.644
there is a court action
pending about the easement on

02:36:29.681 --> 02:36:31.882
the davie street lot, but
you've improved the decks of

02:36:32.918 --> 02:36:35.860
December of last year and I'm
here again to encourage you to

02:36:35.253 --> 02:36:38.550
continue that support.
I'm speaking to you from three

02:36:38.291 --> 02:36:41.590
different peck spectivessism
I'm a life-long resident of

02:36:42.928 --> 02:36:45.430
greensboro and I want my city
to thrive.
I want it to continue to grow.

02:36:46.499 --> 02:36:47.999
This is all about economic
development.

02:36:48.901 --> 02:36:51.202
I'm a downtown resident.
I've lived downtown for 13

02:36:52.438 --> 02:36:55.339
years and again I want to see
more growth, more businesses,

02:36:55.375 --> 02:36:57.375
more restaurants, more

02:36:58.278 --> 02:37:00.278
activity in downtown, more

02:37:01.214 --> 02:37:03.214
housing in downtown ands has a

02:37:03.349 --> 02:37:05.650
third perspective from which
I'm speaking is as a real

02:37:05.718 --> 02:37:08.486
estate appraiser, that's what
I do.

02:37:08.754 --> 02:37:11.220
I know that when we have
economic growth and we have

02:37:15.162 --> 02:37:17.596
improved activity downtown it
enhances property values and

02:37:18.932 --> 02:37:21.330
that's good for everybody.
Improving the decks for the

02:37:21.101 --> 02:37:23.969
propose said hotels is not the
only reason for the city to

02:37:24.304 --> 02:37:26.505
undertake this development.
Certainly it is a good reason

02:37:26.572 --> 02:37:28.941
but not the only one.
Some people would have you

02:37:29.242 --> 02:37:32.211
believe that the new decks
will only benefit the

02:37:32.279 --> 02:37:34.113
developers, that's just not
true.

02:37:35.249 --> 02:37:37.950
I want to see new business
development and residential

02:37:38.685 --> 02:37:41.387
construction in downtown, it
can't do that with proper

02:37:44.427 --> 02:37:46.325
infrastructure.
It is a very important thing
is to have proper parking to

02:37:47.260 --> 02:37:48.962
attract new business and
industry to downtown.

02:37:49.764 --> 02:37:51.764
The new development that we

02:37:51.799 --> 02:37:53.799
have had and have on-going in

02:37:53.901 --> 02:37:56.200
downtown great but it needs to
continue.

02:37:57.238 --> 02:37:59.873
Mr. Carol's new apartments and
hotel on eugene street is a

02:37:59.873 --> 02:38:01.873
good example.

02:38:01.975 --> 02:38:03.943
The union square campus at the
corner of gate city boulevard

02:38:04.812 --> 02:38:06.313
and south elm street is an
excellent example.

02:38:06.848 --> 02:38:09.583
One really cool building
that's already been built
there and I think they're

02:38:10.518 --> 02:38:12.518
ready to start the second one.

02:38:14.555 --> 02:38:16.555
We've got repurposing older

02:38:16.557 --> 02:38:18.557
buildings such as the cadillac

02:38:18.793 --> 02:38:20.793
garage event center.

02:38:22.731 --> 02:38:25.990
Some day I hope we will have
the hanger performing arts

02:38:25.767 --> 02:38:28.269
center and it will be a
catalyst for more and more

02:38:29.400 --> 02:38:31.605
development downtown.
When site selection

02:38:31.639 --> 02:38:34.174
consultants take up greensboro
for their clents they need to

02:38:34.509 --> 02:38:37.770
know we can handle the growth
without trying to figure out

02:38:37.178 --> 02:38:39.946
how to provide adequate
parking for employees and
clients.

02:38:40.782 --> 02:38:42.782
It can't be an afterthought it

02:38:45.254 --> 02:38:47.255
needs to be planned for.
We need to encourage

02:38:47.289 --> 02:38:49.289
development of office

02:38:49.925 --> 02:38:52.760
buildings, schools like elon
law school, event spaces and

02:38:54.763 --> 02:38:57.331
more housing opportunities.
Yes the proposed west and

02:38:57.767 --> 02:39:00.200
other hotels are important to
this overall picture but they

02:39:00.200 --> 02:39:02.871
are just one piece of the
puzzle as to why we need more

02:39:04.773 --> 02:39:07.208
parking decks I've heard
iticides that your city is

02:39:07.409 --> 02:39:10.440
either growing or dying, there
is no sitting still.

02:39:10.879 --> 02:39:12.547
Again I encourage you to
support the construction of

02:39:13.382 --> 02:39:15.149
the decks to help our central
business district thrive and

02:39:15.818 --> 02:39:17.352
indeed the entire city.
Thank you.

02:39:22.792 --> 02:39:25.293
>> thank you.
I'm sorry.

02:39:29.532 --> 02:39:31.800
So we have some miscellaneous
speakers.
Let's see who is left.

02:39:37.841 --> 02:39:39.841
Susan wellsism -- wells.

02:39:40.376 --> 02:39:42.376
Anton huntly.

02:39:47.316 --> 02:39:49.551
Terry sprinkle.
[Off mic]

02:39:49.887 --> 02:39:51.454
>> I'm terry sprinkle, a
business owner.

02:39:55.926 --> 02:39:57.927
I do a lot of work in
greensboro and have for years.

02:39:58.729 --> 02:40:01.464
What I'm going to talk about
is kind of a safe city.

02:40:01.464 --> 02:40:03.966
Heard a lot of people talk
about the gun violence and

02:40:05.835 --> 02:40:08.705
stuff but what I want to do is
you know I've got a lot to say

02:40:08.873 --> 02:40:11.107
but in this little five
minutes I couldn't do it.

02:40:12.843 --> 02:40:15.244
I really ask that a point in
time when you're work session

02:40:15.546 --> 02:40:17.546
or some other time to get

02:40:21.518 --> 02:40:23.753
together and really give you
the information you really
need.

02:40:23.754 --> 02:40:25.754
What you've got in front of

02:40:27.392 --> 02:40:29.392
you right now is just two

02:40:29.494 --> 02:40:31.494
little simple snit bits of

02:40:32.563 --> 02:40:34.765
type of technology on what it
can accomplish in creating

02:40:34.765 --> 02:40:36.766
safer cities.
It will discuss the

02:40:37.435 --> 02:40:39.435
discussions that you have now

02:40:39.603 --> 02:40:41.604
with school boards, concerning
safe schools.

02:40:41.805 --> 02:40:44.475
These systems would be
incorporated including that as

02:40:45.777 --> 02:40:48.212
well as your facilities.
The city streets, the

02:40:48.646 --> 02:40:50.614
citizens, other things that
can be done.

02:40:52.750 --> 02:40:54.750
Crowd sourcing or citizens

02:40:54.852 --> 02:40:56.353
living here will also be able
to participate.

02:40:57.455 --> 02:40:59.556
They see thins, say things,
they'll have the buildings on

02:41:03.862 --> 02:41:05.362
their smartphones to give you
that information.

02:41:06.498 --> 02:41:08.265
All of that data that comes in
from these different

02:41:08.567 --> 02:41:10.868
departments that y'all are
ultimately over.
When I talked to one

02:41:11.803 --> 02:41:14.672
department on the systems you
know they'll say well ultimate

02:41:15.407 --> 02:41:17.641
goes back to the city council
but you know their systems

02:41:18.944 --> 02:41:21.613
also are going to be
incorporated with another
department systems and then

02:41:21.614 --> 02:41:23.614
I'm talking to somebody else

02:41:23.615 --> 02:41:26.551
and they're like well it all
goes back thoocity council.

02:41:26.852 --> 02:41:28.852
But the old way of doing

02:41:30.856 --> 02:41:32.856
business is changing I haveler

02:41:33.125 --> 02:41:35.125
been doog this for 30 years

02:41:36.280 --> 02:41:38.798
and technology is constantly
increasing, changing quickly

02:41:38.798 --> 02:41:40.798
and fast.

02:41:41.701 --> 02:41:43.835
I looked over y'all's budget
and through all of y'all's

02:41:44.236 --> 02:41:46.838
different departments
concerning technologies at mit

02:41:48.730 --> 02:41:50.675
software and systems in
y'all's spend approximately

02:41:56.149 --> 02:41:58.149
$30 million a year in just

02:42:04.423 --> 02:42:06.791
that department concerning
fecknologies.
The systems available today

02:42:07.493 --> 02:42:09.861
would really wow you when you
see them and really understand
them.

02:42:10.998 --> 02:42:12.998
So I'm bringing it to you guys

02:42:13.133 --> 02:42:15.133
because yowl need to know it

02:42:15.635 --> 02:42:18.437
and understand it because it
falls into many different

02:42:18.538 --> 02:42:20.272
departments and you've got
many different people that

02:42:25.645 --> 02:42:27.645
will just like Ms. Mary kay

02:42:27.982 --> 02:42:29.949
said earlier if I tried your
last name I would just ruin

02:42:31.919 --> 02:42:33.719
it, okay, but you know you get
frustrated because people ae

02:42:35.155 --> 02:42:37.557
not talking and you're not
understanding what's going on

02:42:37.624 --> 02:42:39.825
over here and you know you go
over and talk to somebody in

02:42:40.694 --> 02:42:42.461
the schoolboards and one of
you might know somebody but

02:42:43.230 --> 02:42:45.498
the rest of you don't.
You know so you're trying to

02:42:47.835 --> 02:42:49.769
look at things that is one big
thing but all in different

02:42:50.710 --> 02:42:52.710
ways and you're just kind of

02:42:52.306 --> 02:42:54.607
lost in it, an that's why I
said I would like to get

02:42:55.776 --> 02:42:57.776
together to really discuss it.

02:42:58.120 --> 02:43:00.460
To tell you and show you what
you can do.

02:43:00.648 --> 02:43:02.648
You know over 25 years ago I'm

02:43:02.784 --> 02:43:05.860
the one who first installed a
smart school here in

02:43:05.860 --> 02:43:07.860
good-byeler.

02:43:07.221 --> 02:43:09.221
That was over 25 years ago.

02:43:09.757 --> 02:43:12.526
So what I'm trying to tell you
now is the days have changed

02:43:13.940 --> 02:43:15.940
and the way of doing things

02:43:15.763 --> 02:43:18.640
changed it is time to become a
smarter city and I would like

02:43:18.165 --> 02:43:20.660
to demonstrate and show you
that.
Honk.

02:43:21.670 --> 02:43:23.670
>> thank you.

02:43:34.983 --> 02:43:36.416
>> kay hutchinson felt.
>> hello.

02:43:41.490 --> 02:43:44.358
I am up here once again as kay
hutchen mackferson self.

02:43:45.594 --> 02:43:48.496
My son is a mackferson that's
why I put that in here

02:43:48.530 --> 02:43:50.965
tonight, he is actually the
owner of the property I'm here

02:43:51.320 --> 02:43:53.320
speaking about.

02:43:53.869 --> 02:43:56.137
He came home from connecticut
you know this should be a

02:43:57.706 --> 02:43:59.706
joyful time for us to enjoy

02:44:00.342 --> 02:44:02.342
easter together but it wassen.

02:44:04.246 --> 02:44:06.180
We were plotting our next
move.

02:44:08.170 --> 02:44:10.170
The city of greensboro has

02:44:10.252 --> 02:44:12.252
seen senile kay, thy have

02:44:14.891 --> 02:44:16.925
seen compassionate kay, winy
kay coming up here before the

02:44:17.493 --> 02:44:19.493
city council and asking for

02:44:20.229 --> 02:44:23.198
your help for the atrocities
of 35 years of dealing with

02:44:24.800 --> 02:44:27.602
utilities.
Well that should have been

02:44:28.537 --> 02:44:30.537
taken care of a long time ago.

02:44:30.974 --> 02:44:33.776
Yes, time warner is offered by
a property after 35 years.

02:44:35.312 --> 02:44:37.713
Att is off our property after
35 years.

02:44:38.715 --> 02:44:40.715
Dirty duke no we get a

02:44:42.185 --> 02:44:44.185
contract for a dollar which

02:44:45.621 --> 02:44:47.621
they phoned their nose at

02:44:49.426 --> 02:44:51.595
where he happens -- greensboro
city managers office and just

02:44:51.595 --> 02:44:54.564
other members of the
departments here in
greensboro, you know they say

02:44:56.199 --> 02:44:58.435
they have a right to be on our
property that thy have a

02:44:58.435 --> 02:45:00.435
legal right.

02:45:00.604 --> 02:45:02.604
So why are we getting a dollar

02:45:03.273 --> 02:45:05.273
contract.

02:45:08.813 --> 02:45:11.800
You know...
Mr. City attorney, didn't you

02:45:12.783 --> 02:45:14.783
meet with her after speak last

02:45:14.985 --> 02:45:16.985
time and we really don't have

02:45:18.210 --> 02:45:20.523
any role in this issue.
>> isn't that correct?

02:45:23.161 --> 02:45:25.562
>> she said, Ms. Hutchens sent
some additional information

02:45:26.697 --> 02:45:28.697
over to john gribble who she

02:45:29.000 --> 02:45:31.701
knows well who has been able
to assist her some in the past

02:45:34.672 --> 02:45:37.474
and Mr. Gribblequal jennifer
snare and I in my office sat

02:45:40.450 --> 02:45:42.450
down and reviewed her letter.

02:45:42.347 --> 02:45:44.415
I believe Mr. Gribble has
communicated back to you and

02:45:44.716 --> 02:45:46.718
the unfortunate news is we
could not help you any

02:45:46.718 --> 02:45:48.419
further.
>> that is correct.

02:45:48.720 --> 02:45:50.720
>> so there is is really no

02:45:51.156 --> 02:45:53.156
role for the city council in

02:45:53.258 --> 02:45:55.892
this discussion I mean the
city attorney has taken it as

02:45:56.929 --> 02:45:59.264
far as he can take it.
>> well let me turn this

02:45:59.264 --> 02:46:02.330
around on another aspect.
My son and I are getting ready

02:46:04.436 --> 02:46:06.637
to spend $1,000 to have our
property appraised.

02:46:11.676 --> 02:46:14.344
We just had rotor rooter and I
would have went and stopped at

02:46:14.814 --> 02:46:16.814
office depot and made copies

02:46:17.716 --> 02:46:19.717
of this and passed out but
honestly that was a waste of

02:46:19.985 --> 02:46:22.287
my money because I know these
copies I've made for you have

02:46:22.921 --> 02:46:24.921
gone in the trash.

02:46:25.958 --> 02:46:27.958
Rotor rooter for my sewer line

02:46:29.661 --> 02:46:32.563
, if my sewer line which
pvc is only guaranteed for 30

02:46:33.699 --> 02:46:36.134
years so eventually in 19
years I've got a sewer line

02:46:36.135 --> 02:46:38.670
that's going to be needing
replaced.

02:46:40.206 --> 02:46:42.207
If my sewer line is where the
maps said it should be I would

02:46:43.976 --> 02:46:45.976
only have to pay about $1,800

02:46:46.979 --> 02:46:48.346
to totally replace a
sewerline.

02:46:49.248 --> 02:46:51.248
Right now etroer reuters says

02:46:55.855 --> 02:46:57.156
if we replace the line $38,000
plus.

02:46:58.124 --> 02:47:00.124
Now where our sewer line is we

02:47:00.893 --> 02:47:03.462
have a crack in the driveway.
Okay.
We're getting ready to have

02:47:04.630 --> 02:47:06.630
that replaced and fixed, where

02:47:07.340 --> 02:47:09.340
the ground has settled over 11

02:47:09.536 --> 02:47:12.471
years my driveway has cracked.
Rotor router says it is not

02:47:12.939 --> 02:47:14.939
busted, we don't smell it.

02:47:15.475 --> 02:47:17.877
I know that because more
plumbing told me that, but we

02:47:18.311 --> 02:47:20.311
do have to replace the

02:47:20.547 --> 02:47:22.547
driveway.

02:47:23.683 --> 02:47:25.985
1200 to $1,500 to replace my
driveway right now where it

02:47:28.289 --> 02:47:30.757
has fell in from the sewer
line.
From the dang sewer line.

02:47:31.292 --> 02:47:33.292
Now I'll getting ready to hire

02:47:33.494 --> 02:47:35.728
two more contractors to come
out to give me estimates on

02:47:38.432 --> 02:47:40.432
this sewer line s. North side

02:47:41.168 --> 02:47:43.870
says they're low, 75 to
$100,000 to replace my sewer

02:47:45.306 --> 02:47:47.340
line.
I'm getting ready to get

02:47:48.342 --> 02:47:50.377
another company to come in, so
three estimates on what it is

02:47:50.811 --> 02:47:52.811
going to cost to relace the

02:47:52.880 --> 02:47:55.348
sewer line.
>> the city of greensboro to

02:47:57.518 --> 02:47:59.752
this day has never told my
father, who is deceased now,

02:48:00.755 --> 02:48:03.490
or myself or my son who is now
the new property owner why we

02:48:04.926 --> 02:48:06.926
do not have a sewer line.

02:48:07.610 --> 02:48:09.610
The city ofgreens gave us our

02:48:09.163 --> 02:48:11.163
money back for it.

02:48:11.432 --> 02:48:13.432
My sewer line is on another

02:48:13.501 --> 02:48:15.501
lot that we have now sold that

02:48:20.375 --> 02:48:21.642
I have an easement written
for.

02:48:23.111 --> 02:48:25.111
I am a citizen of this county,

02:48:25.647 --> 02:48:27.647
I pay my taxes y pay a city

02:48:30.919 --> 02:48:32.920
runoff water tax, rain runoff.
For 30 years my property has

02:48:37.359 --> 02:48:39.360
been flooded from Mcnairy's
runoff. Yes, thank you city

02:48:40.796 --> 02:48:42.796
of greensboro September of

02:48:43.165 --> 02:48:45.233
last year we did get our first
storm drain.

02:48:45.701 --> 02:48:48.269
We've been begging for a storm
drain for years.

02:48:50.605 --> 02:48:52.605
One of those estimates that

02:48:52.742 --> 02:48:54.742
I'm getting ready to get next

02:48:55.440 --> 02:48:57.440
week is from a contractor that

02:48:57.546 --> 02:48:59.914
is coming out and tell me why
my steps are settling.

02:49:02.218 --> 02:49:04.218
I have three steps of steps in

02:49:04.553 --> 02:49:06.954
the back, one is above flood
level 4-6 inches.

02:49:08.991 --> 02:49:11.894
I have two sets of concrete
steps one has fell a whole
step.

02:49:12.328 --> 02:49:15.130
The other has fell three
inches.

02:49:16.366 --> 02:49:18.366
This guy has already told me

02:49:18.901 --> 02:49:20.901
when he came out two years ago

02:49:20.903 --> 02:49:22.903
that I had a problem there.

02:49:23.940 --> 02:49:26.700
I wasn't fully understanding
because of this whirl wind of

02:49:27.177 --> 02:49:29.177
stuff that I have going on

02:49:30.714 --> 02:49:32.714
around me.

02:49:33.250 --> 02:49:36.185
I'm not finished.
I've got another five minutes

02:49:37.454 --> 02:49:39.454
probably of this crap.{{{{{{{{{{{{{

02:49:39.456 --> 02:49:41.456
well I'm -- I'm overwhelmed, I

02:49:44.662 --> 02:49:46.529
am sick, I am not leaving this
building tonight, you can

02:49:46.897 --> 02:49:49.232
throw my as in jail.
Somebody going to tell me what

02:49:51.168 --> 02:49:53.168
they are going to do to help

02:49:53.437 --> 02:49:55.437
my son because my son he is my

02:49:56.974 --> 02:49:59.608
responsibility now and my
attitude changed since I

02:50:00.310 --> 02:50:02.344
dumped this whole mess in his
lap.

02:50:03.147 --> 02:50:04.848
I've got a real estate
appraiser -- you know there is

02:50:06.584 --> 02:50:08.584
nothing that we can help you

02:50:09.420 --> 02:50:11.621
with.
>> I'm being neglected.

02:50:13.457 --> 02:50:15.910
We paid for taxes.
>> Mr. City attorney.

02:50:15.592 --> 02:50:17.694
>> we paid for taxes we are
not getting.

02:50:17.695 --> 02:50:20.980
>> there is no role for the
city to play in this

02:50:20.980 --> 02:50:22.980
unfortunate problem that has

02:50:23.434 --> 02:50:25.434
been going on for 35 years.

02:50:25.503 --> 02:50:27.704
>> there is no role for the
silty he said.

02:50:28.406 --> 02:50:30.841
No and I'm glad that
Mr. Gribble was able to get a

02:50:30.942 --> 02:50:33.710
storm drain located on her
property to assist her and I

02:50:35.312 --> 02:50:37.312
believe even -- .

02:50:37.315 --> 02:50:39.617
>> which they proved we've got
sinkhomes on our property from

02:50:40.685 --> 02:50:42.686
the floods that has been
occurring for 35 years on our

02:50:43.488 --> 02:50:44.855
property.
sinkholes.

02:50:45.623 --> 02:50:47.623
I didn't put them there.

02:50:48.326 --> 02:50:50.360
We've gota pump in the front
yard to pump water away.

02:50:50.895 --> 02:50:53.398
This is getting ridiculous.
We're going to sue somebody

02:50:53.398 --> 02:50:55.533
andium growing to sit right
here and somebody going to put

02:50:56.435 --> 02:50:58.369
me in jail tonight.
[Off mic]
[Off mic]

02:50:58.437 --> 02:51:00.437
>> I guess I'm going to have

02:51:01.373 --> 02:51:03.373
to call the next speaker.

02:51:13.419 --> 02:51:15.419
>> tony haze.

02:51:16.122 --> 02:51:18.122
And is mike pippin here?

02:51:28.133 --> 02:51:30.133
Martha sisal?

02:51:30.270 --> 02:51:32.571
Tiera car, or carie vinem.
So these are our final two

02:51:34.207 --> 02:51:37.420
speakers.
Okay thank you.
If you could give us your
name.

02:51:50.123 --> 02:51:52.123
Thank you.

02:51:53.460 --> 02:51:55.460
>> my name is tony haze.

02:51:55.495 --> 02:51:57.196
2108 rose deg road.
And I have been fighting with

02:52:00.433 --> 02:52:02.234
the city of greensboro,
greensboro department for two

02:52:03.669 --> 02:52:05.669
years.

02:52:09.710 --> 02:52:11.710
And the thing is it is between

02:52:12.446 --> 02:52:14.446
daylight and night and what's

02:52:16.483 --> 02:52:18.217
happened is I used to run the
shop there in greensboro.

02:52:20.120 --> 02:52:22.689
I did work for people and
didn't get paid and then I

02:52:23.900 --> 02:52:25.391
took the people's stuff
because they didn't pay me.

02:52:28.729 --> 02:52:30.729
They took me to court and I

02:52:31.198 --> 02:52:33.666
ended up getting stuff back
and I get my stuff back.

02:52:33.934 --> 02:52:35.368
I haven't got my stuff back
yet.

02:52:38.438 --> 02:52:40.541
I went to court and got an
order that says that the

02:52:40.541 --> 02:52:43.210
papers to the greensboro
police department and they'll
have the greensboro police

02:52:44.579 --> 02:52:46.579
department escort me to the

02:52:46.681 --> 02:52:48.715
property out there where I
left my property at.

02:52:48.883 --> 02:52:50.883
and each time I called the

02:52:51.919 --> 02:52:54.320
police to go by the office
they said they're going to get

02:52:55.856 --> 02:52:57.856
in touch with the city or

02:52:58.827 --> 02:53:00.827
lawyer and get with them and

02:53:00.962 --> 02:53:03.464
so they can find out if it is
right.
They said the paperwork is not

02:53:03.798 --> 02:53:05.798
wrote up right.

02:53:06.234 --> 02:53:08.435
I don't write paperwork I just
did everything I was supposed

02:53:09.103 --> 02:53:11.104
to do.
I've never gotten my stuff
back yet.

02:53:11.506 --> 02:53:14.207
I'm asking the city what can I
do next?

02:53:14.676 --> 02:53:16.676
You know they came out and

02:53:18.146 --> 02:53:20.381
tagged cars in front of my
house, my car is legal, one of

02:53:20.916 --> 02:53:22.750
them wasn't legal but other
than this right here I'm

02:53:25.530 --> 02:53:27.755
trying to do the right thing
but the sit a of greensboro at

02:53:28.623 --> 02:53:30.623
this point right here, what

02:53:31.920 --> 02:53:33.920
are the next steps?

02:53:36.999 --> 02:53:38.366
Y'all say don't take your, go
to court.

02:53:39.680 --> 02:53:41.680
Now I'm asking the city what

02:53:43.505 --> 02:53:45.505
can we do next?

02:53:46.141 --> 02:53:48.141
>> my daddy fought in two wars

02:53:49.780 --> 02:53:51.613
and you know being in two wars
the person wanted me to give

02:53:52.582 --> 02:53:54.750
their stuff back, when I took
the papers to him the

02:53:54.750 --> 02:53:56.750
greensboro police department

02:53:58.988 --> 02:54:00.789
het the person drive their car
to the police department.

02:54:01.724 --> 02:54:04.292
And they come out there and
arrest me and send five loads

02:54:04.827 --> 02:54:07.496
of police.
This s stuff is not right

02:54:07.864 --> 02:54:09.864
between night and day but this

02:54:11.301 --> 02:54:13.402
guy said he fought in vietnam,
vietnam, that don't bother me,

02:54:14.337 --> 02:54:16.337
what war you fight in, we have

02:54:16.673 --> 02:54:17.940
black folks have never started
war.

02:54:19.609 --> 02:54:22.210
We have never been in a war.
It is always other people's

02:54:23.145 --> 02:54:24.879
war.
tonight I want to ask you what

02:54:25.215 --> 02:54:27.215
can I do about getting my

02:54:30.921 --> 02:54:32.921
stuff back from the city.

02:54:33.230 --> 02:54:35.230
And I've got a court order

02:54:35.458 --> 02:54:38.394
right here from the superial
court they said take this
paperwork to the police

02:54:39.295 --> 02:54:41.295
department and they'll have

02:54:41.532 --> 02:54:43.532
someone escort me out there to

02:54:43.634 --> 02:54:45.668
get my stuff and never
happened yet.

02:54:49.606 --> 02:54:51.107
>> zee the attorney for the
here.

02:54:52.342 --> 02:54:54.443
I'm sure if she gets a copy of
that.
Would you speak to that,

02:55:02.987 --> 02:55:04.987
please.

02:55:05.556 --> 02:55:07.857
>> thank you.
Mr. Haze, according to the

02:55:08.959 --> 02:55:10.959
documents from this court file

02:55:11.161 --> 02:55:13.161
pled guilty to a misdemeanor

02:55:13.297 --> 02:55:14.697
larceny, a felony reduced to a
misdemeanor.

02:55:17.836 --> 02:55:19.836
As part of that the judge did

02:55:20.372 --> 02:55:22.372
order that he return property

02:55:22.774 --> 02:55:24.774
to his former employer.

02:55:26.210 --> 02:55:28.210
He also was allowed by the

02:55:28.546 --> 02:55:31.182
judge shall repluvof his
property from the premise of a

02:55:31.182 --> 02:55:33.182
business that he had worked

02:55:36.421 --> 02:55:38.489
for, escorted by a law
enforcement officer within 14

02:55:38.523 --> 02:55:40.523
days.

02:55:48.299 --> 02:55:50.334
That was ordered in 2016.
Apparently his attorney came

02:55:50.802 --> 02:55:52.802
back in January 2018 and

02:55:54.773 --> 02:55:57.409
wanted a longer order the
judge did sign an order

02:55:57.409 --> 02:55:59.409
indicating that law

02:56:01.947 --> 02:56:04.448
enforcement would go with
Mr. Haze oraccompany him only

02:56:05.183 --> 02:56:07.183
in a peace keeping role in

02:56:07.986 --> 02:56:10.622
order for him to get the
property.
Two years later the property

02:56:13.559 --> 02:56:15.559
is now occupied by another

02:56:16.280 --> 02:56:18.997
business and it is the police
department's understanding

02:56:19.798 --> 02:56:21.599
that he has or claiming a lot
of equipment there that would

02:56:23.869 --> 02:56:25.869
take nearly two days to move.

02:56:29.676 --> 02:56:31.476
And he comes without the
equipment to move it.

02:56:31.945 --> 02:56:34.279
I think the main issue is
there is two years later and

02:56:35.481 --> 02:56:37.949
there is a different business
there.
The police has gone out every

02:56:38.718 --> 02:56:39.985
time with him to try to assist
him.

02:56:42.888 --> 02:56:44.957
It is an issue more between he
and the company that is there

02:56:45.892 --> 02:56:47.892
now.

02:56:48.528 --> 02:56:50.162
I obtain adcopy of the court
order, had a brief

02:56:53.967 --> 02:56:55.967
conversation with the judge

02:56:56.536 --> 02:56:58.536
and to try to get the da, the

02:56:59.439 --> 02:57:01.673
defense attorney and the judge
back to address see if we

02:57:02.543 --> 02:57:04.543
could address this issue.

02:57:04.678 --> 02:57:07.346
For right now the police are
ordered to go only in the

02:57:07.714 --> 02:57:09.714
peace keeping role and it is

02:57:10.751 --> 02:57:12.751
to resolve something that is

02:57:16.289 --> 02:57:18.891
two years old.
>> so are you saying he can't

02:57:23.300 --> 02:57:25.199
get his property still?
It is my understanding there

02:57:25.199 --> 02:57:27.199
is now another company at this

02:57:31.400 --> 02:57:33.400
location, not the company that

02:57:33.774 --> 02:57:35.774
had his property there.

02:57:36.377 --> 02:57:38.545
But we don't have any of it.
>> the city has really nothing

02:57:39.414 --> 02:57:41.414
to do with this, the only

02:57:44.786 --> 02:57:47.287
part is the judge has ordered
the police t go with

02:57:48.890 --> 02:57:51.240
Mr. Haze, not to assist him in
the property but with the

02:57:51.258 --> 02:57:53.226
peace keeping role.
That is the only involvement

02:57:54.830 --> 02:57:56.897
the city has with this
particular issue.

02:57:56.898 --> 02:57:58.399
>> I'm saying it this way
right here.

02:57:59.134 --> 02:58:01.134
I have a piece of paper right

02:58:02.700 --> 02:58:04.710
here they told me to go to the
greensboro police department

02:58:05.106 --> 02:58:06.740
when I eft the court
January 31st, they said I

02:58:08.343 --> 02:58:10.343
talked to the staff duty

02:58:10.878 --> 02:58:12.881
sergeant there, they said they
will get back with me in 10

02:58:12.881 --> 02:58:15.150
days.
In 10 days I have never heard

02:58:15.150 --> 02:58:17.150
from anybody.

02:58:20.355 --> 02:58:22.355
I called the lawyers Mr. Pope,

02:58:23.580 --> 02:58:25.826
whoever she and she has never
ulcad me back.

02:58:25.827 --> 02:58:28.429
And at this time right here I
come to the city council

02:58:28.931 --> 02:58:31.166
because the thing is I keep
getting the run around because

02:58:31.434 --> 02:58:33.768
if I go on the property and
take my stuff, go over on the

02:58:34.300 --> 02:58:35.503
property I'm ging to get
arrested again.

02:58:38.474 --> 02:58:40.474
The thing is the slaw crooked.

02:58:41.577 --> 02:58:43.678
You know.
They've gave this man's stuff

02:58:44.120 --> 02:58:46.120
back and they're going take

02:58:47.850 --> 02:58:49.751
the law to go get me my
suffright here?

02:58:51.387 --> 02:58:53.822
I have a court order.
>> Mr. Haze, why has it taken

02:58:55.458 --> 02:58:57.425
you that long to go and look?
>> I have been over there each

02:58:58.160 --> 02:59:00.160
time I've called the law they

02:59:00.396 --> 02:59:03.310
just now giving me a cert
fifed letter I have been

02:59:03.265 --> 02:59:05.265
through the cross the street

02:59:05.335 --> 02:59:07.403
over here to the used to be
the tax place over there and

02:59:09.406 --> 02:59:12.308
talked to the police over
there,s and I got that on the

02:59:12.308 --> 02:59:14.743
thirst of January they said
they were going to get back

02:59:16.279 --> 02:59:19.147
with me right here.
>> Mr. Haze, when they told
you they were going to get

02:59:20.316 --> 02:59:23.219
back with you in 10 days, when
did you go, when did you try

02:59:23.754 --> 02:59:26.222
to follow up?
>> I have been following up

02:59:28.225 --> 02:59:30.826
every since, this happened in
January, I got this paper in

02:59:30.961 --> 02:59:32.961
January.

02:59:35.499 --> 02:59:37.833
In January the 31st this
year.
>> what happened in 2016.

02:59:38.368 --> 02:59:40.368
Every time I went over there

02:59:40.504 --> 02:59:42.972
to get my stuff they had the
gate locked, the police told

02:59:43.274 --> 02:59:45.800
me I couldn't go on the
property right then.

02:59:45.476 --> 02:59:47.476
I got to go back and talk to

02:59:47.611 --> 02:59:50.790
the lawyer.
They couldn't do nothing at

02:59:50.447 --> 02:59:52.447
this time right here.

02:59:52.883 --> 02:59:54.883
I've done everything, I've

02:59:54.985 --> 02:59:57.522
done they put me on probation,
made me pay a probation fee.

02:59:57.522 --> 02:59:59.522
The sis crazy.

02:59:59.624 --> 03:00:02.459
This man took my stuff.
I've still got my stuff still

03:00:02.526 --> 03:00:04.526
over there and I can't get my

03:00:04.896 --> 03:00:06.896
stuff and I've got to get his

03:00:07.264 --> 03:00:10.330
stuff back and they tell me
and a go over there because he

03:00:10.267 --> 03:00:12.267
was in vietnam.

03:00:12.436 --> 03:00:14.472
This is crazy, my dady was in
two wars.

03:00:14.472 --> 03:00:16.472
>> all right that sounds like

03:00:17.142 --> 03:00:19.144
to me.
>> this is like white and

03:00:19.144 --> 03:00:21.144
black right here.

03:00:21.179 --> 03:00:22.546
Turn the light on you've got
daylight.

03:00:25.817 --> 03:00:27.817
>> we understand that.

03:00:27.952 --> 03:00:30.530
The thing is there was a
period when you should have

03:00:30.688 --> 03:00:31.955
gone right away and you didn't
go.

03:00:33.292 --> 03:00:35.292
So now that you've gone we are

03:00:36.610 --> 03:00:38.610
still not erasing the fact

03:00:38.163 --> 03:00:40.163
that your supply, whatever you

03:00:40.465 --> 03:00:42.967
had is in the man's building
and now the man, it is a new

03:00:43.100 --> 03:00:45.100
person in the building so what

03:00:45.203 --> 03:00:47.203
you need to do now is to get

03:00:47.238 --> 03:00:49.238
someone that can go and

03:00:51.377 --> 03:00:53.678
mediate, just talk to those
folks you and see if you can

03:00:53.679 --> 03:00:56.614
get your equipment back.
>> well the man still owns the
building.

03:00:56.648 --> 03:00:58.648
>> this same man still owns

03:00:59.718 --> 03:01:02.190
the building.
>> this same man owns the

03:01:05.524 --> 03:01:07.524
building and this man right

03:01:07.860 --> 03:01:09.861
here, if the shoe was on the
other foot I wouldn't have to

03:01:11.897 --> 03:01:13.897
be up here.

03:01:13.933 --> 03:01:16.534
You know, tell me, I took time
tonight to come here and to

03:01:17.360 --> 03:01:19.700
ask, they told me that the
greensboro police are going to

03:01:20.500 --> 03:01:21.706
do this, they haven't done
this, they said the lawyers is

03:01:22.341 --> 03:01:24.341
going to do this, it hasn't

03:01:24.411 --> 03:01:26.278
been done.
I haven't gotict caked by

03:01:26.412 --> 03:01:28.412
neither one yet.

03:01:30.817 --> 03:01:33.652
>> do you have a number you
see in January you got the #

03:01:33.720 --> 03:01:35.954
court order and went to the
police department, they called

03:01:36.823 --> 03:01:38.823
you back in 10 days and then

03:01:42.229 --> 03:01:43.963
you call a Ms. Pope, or
somebody, do you have a name

03:01:47.200 --> 03:01:48.934
and a person to call?
>> this is a lawyer right

03:01:55.675 --> 03:01:57.910
here.
>> I hate to do this, but it

03:01:58.979 --> 03:02:01.314
is actually painful for me to
watch this week after week as

03:02:01.815 --> 03:02:03.850
a city attorney you represent
there the city.

03:02:04.451 --> 03:02:06.586
I don't understand a basis on
which you can provide legal

03:02:07.288 --> 03:02:09.210
advice to a private person if
you made the determination

03:02:10.230 --> 03:02:11.824
that the city has no
interaction.

03:02:13.460 --> 03:02:15.460
I mean, and again I'm

03:02:16.697 --> 03:02:18.697
expressing my frustration now.

03:02:20.735 --> 03:02:23.236
We are not a small town.
We have serious issues that we

03:02:24.872 --> 03:02:26.872
have to deal with that are big

03:02:28.913 --> 03:02:29.983
picture, homelessness, sight
and release, a number of

03:02:31.645 --> 03:02:34.800
things for which council
members have requested action

03:02:34.282 --> 03:02:36.917
by the legal department and
others for which we have not

03:02:37.619 --> 03:02:39.586
seen any action because the
suggestion that the legal

03:02:41.389 --> 03:02:43.389
department is at its band

03:02:43.591 --> 03:02:45.591
width yet we hear things

03:02:45.626 --> 03:02:47.294
meeting after meeting had when
it's already determined that

03:02:52.167 --> 03:02:54.167
the city has no interactionism

03:02:54.169 --> 03:02:56.169
I've discussed in private, it

03:02:56.238 --> 03:02:58.238
is a very difficult job, not

03:02:58.740 --> 03:03:00.708
one I think I could do
successfully when you have

03:03:01.609 --> 03:03:04.545
nine different clients and
different people you have to
commeet.

03:03:05.180 --> 03:03:07.714
Let me use this platform to
say to the extent I have mde

03:03:08.383 --> 03:03:10.385
it impossible for city staff
including the legal department

03:03:10.652 --> 03:03:12.652
to do its job and execute on

03:03:13.822 --> 03:03:16.324
the big picture issues, I
apologize and I will double

03:03:16.358 --> 03:03:18.358
down on my efforts to allow

03:03:18.393 --> 03:03:20.962
you, city staff to do your
jobs in where there are

03:03:21.290 --> 03:03:23.290
constituent relation issues

03:03:23.310 --> 03:03:25.933
for it to be handled by our
constituent relation staff and
for council members to meet

03:03:26.235 --> 03:03:28.103
with pivate citizens and
explain to them.

03:03:28.604 --> 03:03:31.272
But it is not a good use of
time where we are demanding a

03:03:36.211 --> 03:03:38.580
few answers on our policies
related to homelessness for

03:03:40.249 --> 03:03:41.816
you as a police attorney to be
spending your time on

03:03:42.384 --> 03:03:43.785
something the city has no
interaction.

03:03:44.687 --> 03:03:46.687
And again I apologize to the

03:03:46.723 --> 03:03:49.910
extent I put those on your
plate that proclude action on

03:03:49.459 --> 03:03:51.459
the real big picture issues.

03:03:51.594 --> 03:03:53.495
But this is insanity.
It really is.

03:03:56.566 --> 03:03:59.340
>> if I May finish after
somebody has gotten off their

03:03:59.669 --> 03:04:02.238
platform here.
I was getting ready to ask you

03:04:03.106 --> 03:04:05.307
a question.
To turn it over to the police

03:04:06.420 --> 03:04:07.843
attorney.
We have made that

03:04:08.278 --> 03:04:10.278
determination.

03:04:10.880 --> 03:04:13.115
But again, we are here to hear
what people are saying.

03:04:14.217 --> 03:04:16.351
You know, all issues in the
city are big.

03:04:18.889 --> 03:04:20.889
All issues.

03:04:22.826 --> 03:04:24.927
Whether a policy making issue,
every, we can not make a

03:04:26.663 --> 03:04:29.331
policy on.
Now can't ordinance a person
to death.

03:04:29.666 --> 03:04:31.834
Some stuff you just have to do
because it is the right thing

03:04:32.803 --> 03:04:34.803
to do, it is the humane thing

03:04:35.171 --> 03:04:37.774
to do.
And we have got toon a point

03:04:38.900 --> 03:04:40.510
where all we're concerned
about is policy, policy,

03:04:41.145 --> 03:04:43.513
policy.
And none of us don't need to

03:04:46.784 --> 03:04:49.319
be here.
And I'm sorry the man has an

03:04:52.256 --> 03:04:54.559
issue.
Somebody has got to help him

03:04:54.559 --> 03:04:57.294
do something.
It May not be our main issue

03:04:58.129 --> 03:05:00.630
but he is a citizen in this
city.

03:05:04.969 --> 03:05:07.400
>> what district does he live
in?

03:05:07.400 --> 03:05:09.272
>> I don't know.
>> what district do you live
in?

03:05:10.341 --> 03:05:12.344
>> I lived in district four.
>> in district four.

03:05:12.344 --> 03:05:14.344
>> yes.

03:05:18.917 --> 03:05:21.850
In district four.
Nancy.
[Off mic]

03:05:23.454 --> 03:05:25.989
>> where is your city?
>> 218 roseefta road
greensboro.

03:05:28.460 --> 03:05:30.460
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03:05:31.396 --> 03:05:33.131
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>> that's me.

03:05:34.466 --> 03:05:36.466
[Off mic]

03:05:37.536 --> 03:05:39.771
>> Madam Mayor -- .
[Off mic]

03:05:39.771 --> 03:05:41.907
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>> we as a city council can't

03:05:41.907 --> 03:05:44.608
help him.
We can't fix this like we

03:05:46.379 --> 03:05:48.513
couldn't fix the last issue.
We can't legislate these

03:05:50.850 --> 03:05:53.618
issuesqual they have really
gone beyond our city staff at
this point.

03:05:54.486 --> 03:05:56.754
The fact is that this was an
issue that was handled in

03:05:59.925 --> 03:06:02.360
court over two years ago and
he had two weeks to get his

03:06:03.796 --> 03:06:06.498
stuff out and he didn't do it.
I tried to get my stuff.

03:06:07.330 --> 03:06:09.335
>> I'm sorry.
We can't help you at this

03:06:09.335 --> 03:06:12.270
point and I don't know if you
have to get a private attorney

03:06:13.472 --> 03:06:15.472
to help you see this through

03:06:16.809 --> 03:06:18.809
but we as a city council can't

03:06:18.978 --> 03:06:20.978
fix this tonight and just like

03:06:21.948 --> 03:06:23.948
we couldn't help te last lady

03:06:24.840 --> 03:06:25.851
who was here.
So you know at this point he

03:06:26.252 --> 03:06:28.252
might have to get an attorney

03:06:37.196 --> 03:06:39.640
to help him.
>> this case has been going on

03:06:40.367 --> 03:06:42.735
in two years, after two years
I've done paid the lawyer,

03:06:43.170 --> 03:06:45.170
I've done paid the court, I've

03:06:45.539 --> 03:06:48.407
done paid everybody to do
their jane the job they're

03:06:49.420 --> 03:06:51.420
supposed to be done.

03:06:51.478 --> 03:06:53.312
This has been a white case, we
wouldn't be up here but this

03:06:53.880 --> 03:06:56.283
is a black case.
This is between night and day.

03:06:56.283 --> 03:06:58.283
Good night.

03:06:59.453 --> 03:07:01.453
>> thank you.

03:07:04.792 --> 03:07:07.493
>> Mr. Whippen.
>> excuse me.

03:07:08.610 --> 03:07:10.610
My voice has been silent so

03:07:11.465 --> 03:07:14.660
long didn't have it with me.
My name is michael piten.

03:07:15.300 --> 03:07:17.300
I reside at 1907 gracewood

03:07:19.840 --> 03:07:21.840
drivism and I have an issue

03:07:24.612 --> 03:07:26.212
with your public/private
partnerships.

03:07:26.714 --> 03:07:29.649
>> what did you say.
>> public private
partnerships.

03:07:31.520 --> 03:07:32.886
>> I have issues with the
public/private partnerships

03:07:35.623 --> 03:07:37.858
and hopefully by sharing that
with you that perhaps you guys

03:07:43.898 --> 03:07:45.898
may have the citizens of this

03:07:45.967 --> 03:07:48.835
city May demand an issue to
have you to oversee when the

03:07:49.238 --> 03:07:51.973
city staff brings a public
private partnership to the
council that how it effects

03:07:53.308 --> 03:07:55.308
the people in this city is

03:07:55.677 --> 03:07:58.450
considered not just going to
the collective elected

03:08:00.148 --> 03:08:02.148
officials so I'm going to

03:08:04.619 --> 03:08:06.619
share this with you since I'm

03:08:06.722 --> 03:08:08.722
on the clock im here to speak

03:08:09.858 --> 03:08:12.794
about the joint engineering
gateway of.
[Inaudible]

03:08:12.895 --> 03:08:14.895
Engineering research park.

03:08:15.464 --> 03:08:17.464
A brief description is this.

03:08:18.533 --> 03:08:20.533
# state law stipulates what's

03:08:22.571 --> 03:08:24.973
on campus.
And that campus requires the

03:08:26.409 --> 03:08:28.409
university to have a joint

03:08:28.844 --> 03:08:31.780
campus to to the board of
trustees to a.
[Inaudible]

03:08:32.381 --> 03:08:33.715
Joint campussance that didn't
happen.

03:08:35.317 --> 03:08:37.510
Now my documents are based on
public records request so when

03:08:40.155 --> 03:08:42.157
I say that didn't happen I've
been this thing for a number

03:08:43.126 --> 03:08:46.280
of years no one has produced
public records to demonstrate

03:08:48.798 --> 03:08:50.766
that a-nt and uncg agreed to a
new campus.

03:08:53.302 --> 03:08:55.704
Now what happened was in
2001ant the day of the

03:08:57.139 --> 03:08:59.139
university masters plan to

03:08:59.943 --> 03:09:01.943
have their own millennium

03:09:03.180 --> 03:09:05.781
campus for their students to
interact with their
agriculture and their

03:09:10.253 --> 03:09:12.253
research.

03:09:15.391 --> 03:09:17.391
Uncg as reported in the paper.

03:09:19.530 --> 03:09:21.530
Now what happens is the kale

03:09:22.866 --> 03:09:24.834
hagan introduced a bill in
which the school of the deaf

03:09:28.705 --> 03:09:30.705
was to become a jointed campus

03:09:31.141 --> 03:09:33.542
for attuncg.
And then published in the

03:09:37.114 --> 03:09:39.114
media they claimed a portion

03:09:40.351 --> 03:09:42.952
of the farm and next a person
you all know or should know,

03:09:45.189 --> 03:09:48.580
if you're getting this thing
right here, attorney in

03:09:48.580 --> 03:09:51.270
greensboro who was a member of
the board of governors said

03:09:55.433 --> 03:09:57.435
that ant and uncg agreed to a
joint campus, it didn't

03:09:57.435 --> 03:09:59.435
happen.

03:10:00.438 --> 03:10:02.739
From there we had public
appropriations for the joint

03:10:04.275 --> 03:10:06.275
campus, then what they decided

03:10:12.450 --> 03:10:14.450
to do is what we'll do is with

03:10:17.188 --> 03:10:19.891
the newuration unc agreed to
that, ant board did not.

03:10:19.891 --> 03:10:21.891
Then the home

03:11:18.351 --> 03:11:20.953
so what happens is as you guys
are the stakeholders you guys

03:11:21.288 --> 03:11:23.657
aren't the stakeholders.
When you put forth these

03:11:23.657 --> 03:11:25.657
public private partnerships

03:11:30.263 --> 03:11:32.263
you support these they impact

03:11:32.298 --> 03:11:33.565
students that look like me at
ant.

03:11:35.936 --> 03:11:37.936
Now see the board of governors

03:11:40.340 --> 03:11:42.340
discounts and resources didn't

03:11:44.211 --> 03:11:46.211
put resources down there.

03:11:47.130 --> 03:11:49.882
Ant is a deal with the land
grant and the forever federal

03:11:51.785 --> 03:11:54.621
government puts these programs
right here and city greensboro

03:11:55.122 --> 03:11:57.122
and I have an example of that

03:11:58.926 --> 03:12:00.926
they run down there, 16 second

03:12:03.464 --> 03:12:05.464
already and by golly get me

03:12:06.200 --> 03:12:07.600
in.
[Inaudible]

03:12:17.345 --> 03:12:20.130
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I just want to say one thing

03:12:21.248 --> 03:12:23.248
we're going to see this right

03:12:25.860 --> 03:12:27.860
here, this one page one item

03:12:29.157 --> 03:12:31.157
and I will say that we are

03:12:39.400 --> 03:12:41.301
done.
Planning and site development.

03:12:42.637 --> 03:12:44.637
This houses the bio technology

03:12:44.839 --> 03:12:47.675
researchect loin the college
of engineering, school of

03:12:48.710 --> 03:12:50.770
technology, physical apied
sciences.

03:12:52.948 --> 03:12:55.249
That's ant.
Uncg.
if you look up here you'll

03:12:56.985 --> 03:12:58.985
find out umcg was indeed a

03:12:59.221 --> 03:13:01.922
school of interest in nano
technology.
So the thing here is that if

03:13:08.898 --> 03:13:10.898
you look at the -- I know that

03:13:11.834 --> 03:13:14.802
your pdf just got up but your
time is up.
>> if you look on that screen

03:13:16.805 --> 03:13:19.707
you'll see that this is a
resolution the sign which is

03:13:21.244 --> 03:13:23.244
only says it pertains to the

03:13:28.251 --> 03:13:30.251
school of the deaf and you

03:13:30.419 --> 03:13:32.621
>> lobbyists who said ant and
uncg board of trustees.

03:13:34.290 --> 03:13:36.290
So these are names that you

03:13:36.792 --> 03:13:38.961
guys know I think he is a
member of a -- person and

03:13:39.462 --> 03:13:41.730
according to the wen he is a
neighbor of another.

03:13:43.666 --> 03:13:45.666
So bottom line, you guys get

03:13:46.202 --> 03:13:48.202
involved because you don't,

03:13:48.905 --> 03:13:50.672
because these are the things
that effect the opportunities

03:13:52.308 --> 03:13:54.576
of black people.
To get something you need to

03:13:55.244 --> 03:13:57.613
put it there, you support it
and you want to take it away

03:13:58.150 --> 03:13:59.782
and then we're going to play,
we don't know.

03:14:00.651 --> 03:14:02.651
Well you don't have to know

03:14:04.187 --> 03:14:06.422
because I'm -- we'll walk you
back.
>> thank you.

03:14:06.656 --> 03:14:08.656
>> and we won't fire a shot

03:14:08.825 --> 03:14:11.727
and we won't be angry.
>> now I'm done.
>> hi.

03:14:12.262 --> 03:14:14.597
Thank you for your concern,
which the city doesn't really

03:14:15.990 --> 03:14:18.340
have a lot to do with.
But I will speak to the

03:14:18.335 --> 03:14:20.335
gateway university research

03:14:20.404 --> 03:14:22.572
part because it is in my
backyard.

03:14:23.907 --> 03:14:25.908
I also served on the gateway
university research park

03:14:26.643 --> 03:14:29.612
advisory committee.
Me and two of my other
neighbors.

03:14:30.281 --> 03:14:32.281
i have seen the memorandum of

03:14:36.220 --> 03:14:38.254
understanding between uncg and
a-n-t and I think if you would

03:14:40.391 --> 03:14:43.126
talk to john marral the
director of the research park
he could provide that.

03:14:43.360 --> 03:14:45.829
We would not have those
documents as public records

03:14:45.829 --> 03:14:47.931
here.
>> okay.
>> but that document does

03:14:48.660 --> 03:14:50.660
exist.

03:14:50.902 --> 03:14:53.204
I have a copy.
>> if you would, yes, okay.

03:14:53.204 --> 03:14:55.639
>> I have a copy.
I know what you're saying,

03:14:56.241 --> 03:14:59.176
your concern, but
unfortunately they create
addocument, it is signed

03:15:00.611 --> 03:15:02.612
between them and that was done
back just before they zoned

03:15:08.860 --> 03:15:10.588
that property, they zoned
75-acres of the farm into the

03:15:11.890 --> 03:15:13.890
sit glee I beg to differ I'll

03:15:13.425 --> 03:15:15.425
send yu an e-mail when don

03:15:17.662 --> 03:15:20.564
mural said he didn't know
that.
That's okay.
Can I get my -- 

03:15:32.211 --> 03:15:35.120
[Inaudible]
Thank you.
>> comments.

03:15:35.347 --> 03:15:37.347
>> I really only have one

03:15:43.890 --> 03:15:45.524
comment this evening.
And I'd like for the city

03:15:45.524 --> 03:15:47.524
attorney I know you talked

03:15:55.234 --> 03:15:57.234
about the coliseum, director,

03:16:00.730 --> 03:16:02.730
has the right I guess to

03:16:03.209 --> 03:16:06.111
engage for the coliseum but
I'm concerned about the fact

03:16:08.848 --> 03:16:10.182
that all of tat is under his
control.

03:16:14.687 --> 03:16:16.589
What does the city have to do
with.
[Off mic]

03:16:20.360 --> 03:16:22.610
And can that policy be changed
to some degree?

03:16:24.397 --> 03:16:26.397
Or what stops certain types of

03:16:29.135 --> 03:16:31.135
venues in other words what I'm

03:16:31.371 --> 03:16:33.873
hearing is anything that.
[Off mic]
[Inaudible]

03:16:34.208 --> 03:16:36.208
So could you stop a nudy show,

03:16:36.510 --> 03:16:39.450
you can't stop a gun show,
which people are very
concerned about.

03:16:39.780 --> 03:16:41.780
And again wasn't to stop I

03:16:42.683 --> 03:16:44.683
think the sales type of

03:16:45.519 --> 03:16:46.919
things, I think the mayor.
[Inaudible]

03:16:50.758 --> 03:16:52.859
And I supported that,.
[Inaudible]

03:16:53.794 --> 03:16:56.696
[Movement on mic].
Where was that create, why was

03:16:57.831 --> 03:16:59.866
that created and if you need
some -- that's fine, but is

03:17:01.680 --> 03:17:04.300
that something that can't be
changed?

03:17:04.305 --> 03:17:06.305
Can we looked at differently.

03:17:07.241 --> 03:17:09.410
Can th city have any kind of
way in, into something like

03:17:11.880 --> 03:17:13.880
that?

03:17:16.417 --> 03:17:19.152
>> in 1994 the initial
authority was given to the

03:17:20.880 --> 03:17:22.789
coliseum direct to have
digression in full right into

03:17:23.524 --> 03:17:25.425
enter all lease agreements
regarding the greensboro

03:17:26.261 --> 03:17:28.261
coliseum and all of its

03:17:30.465 --> 03:17:32.465
properties, that was also

03:17:35.704 --> 03:17:37.404
renewed in twen 13 under his
latest contract.

03:17:39.240 --> 03:17:41.975
The gu show regulations are
unique because state law says

03:17:42.911 --> 03:17:45.313
no municipality can regulate
firearm shows more stringently

03:17:46.415 --> 03:17:48.415
than other types of shows.

03:17:51.987 --> 03:17:54.388
So if the city council direct
ed the manager to direct

03:17:54.856 --> 03:17:56.856
the coliseum direct to take

03:17:57.526 --> 03:18:00.461
actions regarding gun shows
that would be a regulation by

03:18:05.134 --> 03:18:07.134
a municipality that is more

03:18:07.837 --> 03:18:10.238
stringent regarding gun shows.
That law is essentially only

03:18:11.207 --> 03:18:13.207
applies to gun shows.

03:18:13.208 --> 03:18:15.510
Matt brown is a member of the
city of greensboro.

03:18:16.945 --> 03:18:18.945
He serves under the city

03:18:24.200 --> 03:18:26.200
manager as does all but one

03:18:26.923 --> 03:18:29.225
employee and he has previously
been given this authority

03:18:29.225 --> 03:18:31.225
since 1994 and it provides

03:18:31.794 --> 03:18:33.794
some needed flexibility

03:18:34.497 --> 03:18:37.333
because of the nature of
entertainment shows and how

03:18:39.169 --> 03:18:41.971
they must be sometimes
negotiated on the fly and you

03:18:46.409 --> 03:18:49.120
need, in my opinion, a single
individual to over see what is

03:18:49.120 --> 03:18:51.680
a very competitive industry
and all in all this is proven

03:18:52.181 --> 03:18:54.685
successful for the city of
greensboro as he has taken on

03:18:54.685 --> 03:18:56.685
greater and greater authority

03:18:57.854 --> 03:19:00.690
and added more and more types
of shows.

03:19:01.725 --> 03:19:03.526
The council and the manager
can always work together on

03:19:04.327 --> 03:19:06.362
how they wan to regulate these
matters in the future meaning

03:19:06.863 --> 03:19:08.863
how do they want to regulate

03:19:11.402 --> 03:19:13.636
the coliseum; however, this is
not necessarily something that

03:19:18.108 --> 03:19:20.543
needs to be fixed.
>> okay.

03:19:20.811 --> 03:19:22.912
So then he couldn't stop the
show either.

03:19:22.913 --> 03:19:24.781
He could not contract the show
because of the state law is

03:19:25.582 --> 03:19:27.582
that what you're saying.

03:19:28.586 --> 03:19:31.122
>> matt brown has total
digression.
>> he has no digression on

03:19:31.122 --> 03:19:33.122
that.

03:19:37.361 --> 03:19:39.896
Total, oh, yes, total
digression and -- maybe I'm

03:19:41.832 --> 03:19:43.832
not talking close enough.

03:19:44.668 --> 03:19:46.700
>> matt brown has sole
digression.

03:19:47.172 --> 03:19:50.700
It would not be in the
interest of the city to direct

03:19:51.209 --> 03:19:53.209
him and disturb his sole

03:19:54.546 --> 03:19:57.281
digression on the issue.
>> okay.
I wanted to be clear on that.

03:19:57.582 --> 03:19:59.582
I wanted more clarification

03:20:01.419 --> 03:20:03.419
about that because I had some

03:20:05.457 --> 03:20:06.957
concerns about that infraction
if you will.

03:20:08.427 --> 03:20:10.427
Other than that that's all I

03:20:18.470 --> 03:20:20.537
have.
>> Mr. City manager, I would

03:20:20.673 --> 03:20:22.673
like to request that we

03:20:23.509 --> 03:20:25.611
initiate a strategic planning
study of the new garden road

03:20:25.611 --> 03:20:27.611
corridor.

03:20:27.880 --> 03:20:30.615
I've had a number of
constituents talk to me.

03:20:30.749 --> 03:20:32.749
There are I think eight, seven

03:20:33.752 --> 03:20:36.354
or eight pieces of property
that are all for sale now.

03:20:36.888 --> 03:20:38.888
We've had a number of zoning

03:20:39.158 --> 03:20:41.158
issues in that corridor come

03:20:41.260 --> 03:20:43.228
up before the city council in
the past.

03:20:44.363 --> 03:20:47.265
And I think if we could get
ahead of this and kind of come

03:20:50.336 --> 03:20:52.203
up with a plan and
strategically that would be

03:20:53.239 --> 03:20:55.240
better for all of us.
So if I could request that.

03:20:56.576 --> 03:20:59.378
The other thing I have is just
an announcement about

03:21:00.413 --> 03:21:02.413
April 11th, one of the

03:21:03.349 --> 03:21:05.517
speakers for the planet
greensboro series is going to

03:21:06.586 --> 03:21:08.586
be speaking at the greensboro

03:21:12.125 --> 03:21:14.327
history museum from 5:30 to
7:00 about walkability and why

03:21:15.796 --> 03:21:18.564
that makes sense economic
sense for our community.
So I would just encourage

03:21:18.798 --> 03:21:20.798
people if they're interested

03:21:23.690 --> 03:21:25.690
in that to attend and I've

03:21:25.772 --> 03:21:27.539
attend adupical of those and
found them very interesting

03:21:28.575 --> 03:21:30.642
series as speakers and very
beneficial as people are

03:21:33.581 --> 03:21:35.581
interested.

03:21:38.485 --> 03:21:40.530
>> no comments.
>> Ms. Abuzuaiter.

03:21:40.721 --> 03:21:42.721
>> just two Madam Mayor.

03:21:43.257 --> 03:21:45.257
I wanted to congratulate for

03:21:45.459 --> 03:21:47.459
those of you who don't know

03:21:50.464 --> 03:21:52.232
our own mayor proteam johnson,
founders day March 22nd she

03:21:54.680 --> 03:21:56.680
was the recipient of an alumni

03:21:57.371 --> 03:21:59.406
achievement award so yvonne
was very humble about that.

03:22:01.410 --> 03:22:03.343
I walked in and was like
yvonne and I said why aren't

03:22:03.477 --> 03:22:05.445
you giving greetings to the
city and she said because I'm

03:22:05.580 --> 03:22:08.315
getting an award.
So it was kind of cute.

03:22:11.152 --> 03:22:13.152
So congratulations.

03:22:13.655 --> 03:22:16.590
And also that same day
March 22nd was the grand
opening of the greensboro

03:22:17.240 --> 03:22:19.626
housing hub so a lot of good
thins go on in greensboro

03:22:20.761 --> 03:22:22.761
right right now.

03:22:23.198 --> 03:22:25.499
Thank you Madam Mayor.
>> Ms. Johnson.
>> I've mntioned that the

03:22:25.634 --> 03:22:27.634
mayor had me represent the

03:22:28.170 --> 03:22:30.871
city of greensboro in scotland
I've never been to scotland

03:22:32.173 --> 03:22:34.173
but the representation was to

03:22:35.176 --> 03:22:37.176
receive # an award because we

03:22:42.284 --> 03:22:44.284
are hosting the italian-oops,

03:22:44.319 --> 03:22:46.319
please, the irish dancing

03:22:47.856 --> 03:22:50.591
championship next year in 2019
the economic impact is

03:22:53.595 --> 03:22:55.329
estimated to be between 20 and
$25 million.

03:22:58.401 --> 03:23:00.535
So I went and I received it, I
can't show it to you because

03:23:01.804 --> 03:23:04.380
it is too heavy to bring back
but the division is tere and

03:23:04.774 --> 03:23:06.774
let me tell you they work day

03:23:09.780 --> 03:23:11.780
and night and made a real

03:23:12.414 --> 03:23:14.816
impression on the million of
people that were running that.

03:23:17.854 --> 03:23:20.489
So kudos to them.
And I think we'll enjoy all of

03:23:23.126 --> 03:23:25.427
those folks coming here and be
irish dancers.

03:23:25.428 --> 03:23:27.428
That's it.

03:23:31.901 --> 03:23:33.402
Just glad to be back home.
>> Dr. Wells.

03:23:36.390 --> 03:23:38.390
We had a wonderful event over

03:23:38.875 --> 03:23:41.430
at the renaissance coopon
saturday.
There was an easter egg hunt.

03:23:41.344 --> 03:23:43.344
And the baptist church hosted

03:23:44.948 --> 03:23:47.749
the community outreach da.
So it was a lot of activity

03:23:49.285 --> 03:23:50.719
over there on saturday.
Great success.

03:23:53.424 --> 03:23:55.424
Tomorrow is the commemoration

03:23:56.460 --> 03:23:59.395
of the 50th anniversary of
Dr. Martin luther king's
mountaintop speech.

03:24:00.197 --> 03:24:02.998
I feel kind of close to it
because he made the speech at

03:24:04.134 --> 03:24:06.335
mason temple, which is the
headquarters for my

03:24:06.336 --> 03:24:08.336
denomination and I knew

03:24:10.208 --> 03:24:12.208
Dr. King because of my father

03:24:12.543 --> 03:24:14.543
worked for him and he came to

03:24:16.380 --> 03:24:18.681
our house twice, so I just
feel something about this

03:24:19.650 --> 03:24:21.650
event and here with tomorrow

03:24:25.957 --> 03:24:27.957
at 6:00 there will be a

03:24:29.494 --> 03:24:31.494
individualial, a candlelight

03:24:31.529 --> 03:24:33.529
vigil in the arts of brown

03:24:34.532 --> 03:24:37.267
park and there will be from
6:00 until dusk and then at

03:24:40.604 --> 03:24:42.604
dusk they will March on down

03:24:42.741 --> 03:24:45.342
to the sift rights museum
until 9:00 so that is some way

03:24:46.578 --> 03:24:49.280
that we in greensboro can pay
our respects, pay our respects

03:24:49.280 --> 03:24:51.280
and think about that day.

03:24:52.250 --> 03:24:54.285
Thank you.
{{{{{

03:24:54.285 --> 03:24:56.285
just really briefly I wanted

03:24:56.287 --> 03:24:58.287
to follow up with the city

03:24:58.523 --> 03:25:00.524
manager regarding a traffic
situation at the corner of

03:25:00.926 --> 03:25:03.228
spring garden and howward
street.
It is a dense area that

03:25:03.228 --> 03:25:05.763
continues
continues to grow both

03:25:07.199 --> 03:25:09.300
commercially and with
residential apartments located

03:25:10.135 --> 03:25:12.270
there and the neighborhood has
repeatedly voiced concerns

03:25:14.272 --> 03:25:16.540
over pedestrian and cyclists
safety along with the lack of

03:25:19.945 --> 03:25:22.680
ability to kind of make turns
off howard on the spring
garden.

03:25:23.820 --> 03:25:25.149
I know we've spoken.
Ly about a traffic study for

03:25:25.684 --> 03:25:27.985
that area but to my knowledge
it has not been completed but

03:25:28.420 --> 03:25:30.420
it is a reconsidering issue

03:25:30.589 --> 03:25:32.589
there that's been brought to

03:25:32.891 --> 03:25:34.692
my attention by several folks
in the neighborhood and

03:25:34.928 --> 03:25:37.229
business owners so I want to
follow up on that and make

03:25:37.230 --> 03:25:39.332
sure we have some resolution
to that.

03:25:39.332 --> 03:25:41.332
>> we'll check in to it and

03:25:42.680 --> 03:25:44.680
let you know.

03:25:44.937 --> 03:25:46.471
>> thanks.
>> Ms. Hoffmann.

03:25:47.340 --> 03:25:49.174
>> we've been irking with on
taskforces and organizations

03:25:50.109 --> 03:25:51.910
in the community on our
cultural arts master plan.

03:25:53.246 --> 03:25:55.548
We really met with and had
sessions with quite a number

03:25:55.548 --> 03:25:58.450
of people throughout the
community at this point.

03:25:58.752 --> 03:26:00.752
We will have four days in

03:26:02.856 --> 03:26:04.856
April, wednesday through

03:26:06.259 --> 03:26:08.259
saturday, April 25th through

03:26:08.594 --> 03:26:11.130
the 28th and we will have
public listening sessions at a

03:26:11.765 --> 03:26:14.133
number of all locations
throughout the city.

03:26:16.637 --> 03:26:18.637
I think in all of our and one,

03:26:18.972 --> 03:26:21.507
a lot and all of our five
districts and as well as other
locations the mayor is going

03:26:22.342 --> 03:26:25.311
to kick off a major public
event at 5:30 on thursday

03:26:27.381 --> 03:26:30.160
evening in the cultural arts
center in the vandyke space.

03:26:31.352 --> 03:26:32.986
We really welcome families,
we'll have activities for

03:26:35.389 --> 03:26:37.389
children and prizes and food.

03:26:37.391 --> 03:26:39.392
So this will begin advertising
all of these locations within

03:26:40.928 --> 03:26:42.928
the next few days.

03:26:42.996 --> 03:26:44.996
So really want as many of our

03:26:46.601 --> 03:26:48.335
citizens to come out and force
their thoughts about their

03:26:48.603 --> 03:26:50.603
arts community, what they like

03:26:51.939 --> 03:26:53.273
about it, what they feel is
missing.

03:26:55.977 --> 03:26:58.110
What they would really like to
see this aspeck of the city

03:26:58.512 --> 03:27:01.414
look like over the next five
years and 10 years.

03:27:02.984 --> 03:27:04.852
>> thank you.
>> we've been talking about

03:27:06.821 --> 03:27:08.821
boards and commissions, who is

03:27:09.124 --> 03:27:10.724
interested in serving on a
committee to work on the

03:27:11.860 --> 03:27:13.860
boarder and commissions?

03:27:16.731 --> 03:27:18.965
It is sharon, tammi, mary kay,
me, so we are going to have to

03:27:19.735 --> 03:27:21.735
do this as an open meeting and

03:27:23.805 --> 03:27:25.805
I'll get with betsy so we'll

03:27:27.642 --> 03:27:29.944
do it as a work session-type
thing and if anybody else

03:27:32.280 --> 03:27:35.820
wants to come they can come.
How does next tuesday work for

03:27:45.194 --> 03:27:47.194
you guys like at 4:00.

03:27:47.196 --> 03:27:49.530
Getsy would somebody on your
staff be available around

03:27:49.531 --> 03:27:51.933
4:00 next tuesday?
So let's schedule our first

03:27:52.567 --> 03:27:54.567
meeting if that works for you

03:28:02.845 --> 03:28:04.845
guys?

03:28:08.884 --> 03:28:11.619
Sharon does that work for you?
>> so let's do tuesday at
4:00.

03:28:11.654 --> 03:28:14.356
We'll get one of the
conference rooms and then you

03:28:15.580 --> 03:28:16.725
know what we're going to do is
we'll get all of the boards

03:28:18.294 --> 03:28:20.629
and commissions who the
liaisons are and then really

03:28:21.397 --> 03:28:23.397
go through what is the role of

03:28:24.300 --> 03:28:26.902
the liaison, what those boards
and commissions should look

03:28:28.271 --> 03:28:30.271
like, what their bylaws should

03:28:31.675 --> 03:28:34.244
look like and really do an
overhall of the boards and

03:28:34.244 --> 03:28:36.812
commissions, institute what
this poverty commission should

03:28:36.813 --> 03:28:38.813
look like.

03:28:39.149 --> 03:28:41.149
So we know what it is, what

03:28:41.751 --> 03:28:43.751
kind of information that we

03:28:43.887 --> 03:28:46.588
can gleam from the poverty
commission.
How that should be staffed and

03:28:47.240 --> 03:28:49.250
now other commissions should
be.
And then you know we have a

03:28:49.226 --> 03:28:51.226
lot ofition comes that we

03:28:51.295 --> 03:28:53.295
probably don't even need

03:28:53.931 --> 03:28:56.599
anymore so that will be a
first of many meetings but

03:28:58.535 --> 03:29:00.535
let's kick that off and betsy

03:29:00.671 --> 03:29:02.671
if you could notice that

03:29:08.412 --> 03:29:10.947
meeting that would be a big
help.
I know that we have an

03:29:12.550 --> 03:29:14.550
addendum.

03:29:15.386 --> 03:29:17.153
Okay.
>> mayor, this has been placed

03:29:17.721 --> 03:29:19.956
this item, which is a
resolution I am requested to

03:29:21.358 --> 03:29:23.358
vote tonight of a settlement

03:29:24.950 --> 03:29:26.930
of an easement issue.
We have been in negotiations

03:29:27.732 --> 03:29:30.367
with peters holdings which
owns an easement in the area

03:29:32.300 --> 03:29:34.300
of the February 1 parking deck

03:29:35.206 --> 03:29:37.440
and council voted on
authorizing us to acquire it

03:29:39.143 --> 03:29:41.779
for the sum of $55,000 on
December 19th.

03:29:44.115 --> 03:29:46.115
We reached agreements last

03:29:47.520 --> 03:29:49.320
week and on for a sum of
$100,000 and I think it is in

03:29:49.621 --> 03:29:51.688
the interest of the city to
move forward.

03:29:53.224 --> 03:29:55.224
I had hoped to have a complete

03:29:55.693 --> 03:29:57.561
signed statement tonight for
council so that we could lock

03:29:59.698 --> 03:30:01.699
in the settlement that we did
not get that today.

03:30:03.102 --> 03:30:05.102
We have what I would describe

03:30:05.337 --> 03:30:07.337
as a meeting of the mind.

03:30:07.572 --> 03:30:09.572
In addition to the 100,000

03:30:09.975 --> 03:30:12.810
we're going to lease them six
parking spaces in our garage.

03:30:15.348 --> 03:30:17.516
This is just step further in
us achieving the goal of the

03:30:17.516 --> 03:30:19.516
February 1 deck and while we

03:30:19.785 --> 03:30:21.753
have a meeting of the minds I
think it is in the interest of

03:30:22.855 --> 03:30:25.356
the city that we move forward
now and authorize the manage

03:30:26.892 --> 03:30:29.394
to complete the final steps.
>> okay so you just need a

03:30:29.795 --> 03:30:31.795
motion from us to authorize

03:30:34.667 --> 03:30:36.667
the city manager, does it

03:30:41.340 --> 03:30:43.643
matter which one?
>> the manager twins and

03:30:43.643 --> 03:30:46.244
pursuant to this resolution
which I've drafted and put

03:30:47.613 --> 03:30:50.115
into your file.
>> okay.
So moved.

03:30:51.651 --> 03:30:53.753
>> I have a couple of points.
>> so goes back to the opinion

03:30:54.554 --> 03:30:56.222
I raised earlier about my
understanding of the purpose

03:30:57.724 --> 03:31:00.590
and form of these meetings.
Secondly, I personally do not

03:31:01.361 --> 03:31:03.361
have a conflict of interest

03:31:05.898 --> 03:31:07.898
however we know that conflicts

03:31:08.936 --> 03:31:11.337
can be adjudicated from our
colleagues.
I understand if I don't have a

03:31:12.372 --> 03:31:14.173
conflict I'm legally obligated
to vote.

03:31:15.420 --> 03:31:17.710
I imagine others on council
that have obligations have

03:31:19.646 --> 03:31:22.181
their own process for ensuring
they don't have that impuded
to them.

03:31:23.383 --> 03:31:25.986
I've looked as to how I should
handle this, is this f first

03:31:26.621 --> 03:31:28.855
time I've gotten these
namessism since this is

03:31:33.930 --> 03:31:34.794
regarding the February 1
project I think it would apply

03:31:35.529 --> 03:31:37.529
in this one as well.

03:31:38.632 --> 03:31:40.967
>> all right.
That certainly would suffice
for me.

03:31:41.435 --> 03:31:44.338
A query for others that work
for organizations that would

03:31:46.841 --> 03:31:48.841
have perhaps the sae issues

03:31:48.976 --> 03:31:51.578
and again the form of the
meetings.

03:31:54.150 --> 03:31:56.150
>> I have not reaveiously

03:31:56.951 --> 03:31:58.951
voted on this I don't believe.

03:31:59.955 --> 03:32:01.955
And I would need to check on

03:32:03.625 --> 03:32:05.625
this with my lawfirm.

03:32:06.227 --> 03:32:08.996
>> if it is not the desirable
body to go forward at this

03:32:09.831 --> 03:32:12.650
time we'll move forward per
your instructions and not my

03:32:16.437 --> 03:32:18.437
advice.

03:32:19.174 --> 03:32:21.174
>> can they, for safety sake,

03:32:28.984 --> 03:32:30.984
abstain?

03:32:32.253 --> 03:32:34.253
>> they can, I don't have an

03:32:37.927 --> 03:32:40.528
answer for Councilwoman Thurm
and it is my error for not

03:32:41.297 --> 03:32:43.297
going to you because you have

03:32:43.465 --> 03:32:45.667
the lawfirm conflict check.
>> and to be clear, because I

03:32:46.201 --> 03:32:47.768
don't want there to be a
misconception the same

03:32:50.372 --> 03:32:52.372
principal that applies to me

03:32:53.343 --> 03:32:55.343
and my capacity as a lawfirm.

03:32:57.447 --> 03:32:59.447
The same that applies to

03:33:00.490 --> 03:33:02.490
counwoman thurm and her

03:33:02.285 --> 03:33:04.185
lawfirm, with regard to which
conflict May be impuded.

03:33:05.210 --> 03:33:07.522
I just want absolute clarity
in that there is not a special

03:33:10.327 --> 03:33:12.362
standard for Councilwoman
Thurm.
We have to work with both

03:33:12.362 --> 03:33:14.296
lawfirms.
>> just the level of business

03:33:15.265 --> 03:33:16.598
and items that have to be
checked.

03:33:27.100 --> 03:33:29.312
>> right.
>> can there be, I don't know

03:33:30.147 --> 03:33:32.114
how this works but is there an
opportunity, it would take me

03:33:32.449 --> 03:33:34.449
until tomorrow to do this, is

03:33:36.720 --> 03:33:38.720
there a way to take a vote not

03:33:42.259 --> 03:33:44.993
in a formal, not in the
meeting but on notice?

03:33:46.197 --> 03:33:48.331
>> I think, no there is not
unfortunately but what I would

03:33:48.832 --> 03:33:50.832
recommend is that you recuse

03:33:53.300 --> 03:33:55.300
out of matter of safety.

03:33:55.806 --> 03:33:57.807
And if you're, and this I I'm
soarious about this needing to

03:33:57.841 --> 03:33:59.841
go forward tonight and that's

03:34:00.177 --> 03:34:01.911
why I'm bringing it forward.
>> and this as I understand

03:34:02.947 --> 03:34:04.614
it, and this is a large issue
as I understand it there is

03:34:06.217 --> 03:34:08.218
not an option for recusal out
of safety if there were you

03:34:08.219 --> 03:34:10.219
perhaps would have a lot of

03:34:10.788 --> 03:34:13.390
people recusing out of safety.
As I understand it unless

03:34:14.725 --> 03:34:17.360
there is a conflict state law
provides that you shall vote,

03:34:18.662 --> 03:34:20.664
which is a mandatory
obligation, if that was the

03:34:21.733 --> 03:34:23.733
case I wouldn't write a

03:34:24.350 --> 03:34:26.350
conflict check.

03:34:26.171 --> 03:34:28.572
>> and then state law says if
you recuse without proper

03:34:29.407 --> 03:34:31.407
justification as being an

03:34:33.111 --> 03:34:35.111
immediate yes.

03:34:35.146 --> 03:34:37.146
>> if the voting options are

03:34:38.984 --> 03:34:40.984
yes, no or abstain does an

03:34:41.887 --> 03:34:43.887
abstention count as a vote?

03:34:45.323 --> 03:34:46.724
>> a recusal there is not an
abstention.

03:34:47.759 --> 03:34:49.759
The recusal counts as a

03:34:49.794 --> 03:34:51.762
recusal unless it is
unfounded.
>> yes I understand.

03:34:52.731 --> 03:34:54.731
I just didn't know if

03:34:58.637 --> 03:35:00.637
abstention was an option.

03:35:06.110 --> 03:35:08.110
>> so clarifying.

03:35:08.880 --> 03:35:10.880
>> this because, um, I think

03:35:10.916 --> 03:35:12.916
you are, this is an exception

03:35:13.486 --> 03:35:15.721
to a rule.
Which sometimes proves the

03:35:16.522 --> 03:35:18.522
rule, but I would rather you

03:35:18.858 --> 03:35:21.126
recuse to be safe.
And allow this to move

03:35:21.360 --> 03:35:23.395
forward.
Because it is in the interest

03:35:24.330 --> 03:35:26.640
of the city for this to move
forward tonight while we have

03:35:27.320 --> 03:35:29.320
a meeting of the minds.

03:35:33.406 --> 03:35:35.507
>> is it, I would be willing
to abstain.

03:35:36.342 --> 03:35:38.342
Now can't abstain.

03:35:38.678 --> 03:35:40.879
>> there is not an abstention
allowed under the law.

03:35:43.216 --> 03:35:45.216
>> and you can't articulate

03:35:58.732 --> 03:36:01.633
either.
You could both leave the
meeting and be excuseddism.

03:36:06.473 --> 03:36:08.608
[Off mic]
I'm not really comfortable

03:36:08.609 --> 03:36:10.609
doing that either.

03:36:11.111 --> 03:36:13.111
Can we call, we can't call a

03:36:17.840 --> 03:36:19.352
special meeting in 48 hours.
Could we call a special meet

03:36:20.353 --> 03:36:22.956
in 48 hours to vote on that?
>> we can call a meeting in

03:36:26.694 --> 03:36:28.695
48, we could recess to a time
certain.

03:36:37.471 --> 03:36:39.906
>> or recess.
>> y48 because of public

03:36:40.909 --> 03:36:42.909
notice is what I was thing.

03:36:44.780 --> 03:36:46.380
>> [Over lapping speakers]
>> recess would allow comeback

03:36:56.558 --> 03:36:58.659
at any time.
Tonight you can recess to that

03:36:59.494 --> 03:37:00.995
time certain, it dozen have to
be 48 hours.

03:37:04.466 --> 03:37:06.466
It could be tomorrow, it could

03:37:09.471 --> 03:37:11.471
be thursday, friday, monday.

03:37:14.430 --> 03:37:16.430
I can have a response by 9:00.

03:37:19.615 --> 03:37:21.282
So I mean.
>> I don't understand.

03:37:22.151 --> 03:37:25.119
Now voted on this in December.
>> the city clerk would like
to say something.

03:37:25.854 --> 03:37:28.550
>> excuse me, from a recording
standpoint for my meeting the

03:37:31.940 --> 03:37:33.962
earlier you recess to the
better it is for me because I
can't postpone, I can't stop

03:37:35.831 --> 03:37:38.233
the meeting for 48 hours.
It would be very difficult so

03:37:39.680 --> 03:37:41.903
if you recess it would be much
easier if you've recessed

03:37:43.500 --> 03:37:45.730
until an earlier date certain.
>> if members could call in

03:37:48.477 --> 03:37:50.477
for their vote.

03:37:51.214 --> 03:37:53.214
>> if we hae a forum-wheel

03:37:56.953 --> 03:37:59.488
we've got a meeting but was
this not part of the original?

03:38:02.526 --> 03:38:04.125
>> I need clarification.
I asked before whether or not
I voted on this and would have

03:38:07.264 --> 03:38:09.264
gone through conflict check at

03:38:09.466 --> 03:38:11.466
that time but was it known by

03:38:11.668 --> 03:38:13.668
people in December when we

03:38:15.710 --> 03:38:17.373
vote on the garages?
>> yes, you did.

03:38:17.640 --> 03:38:19.640
If you vote on the item on the

03:38:20.977 --> 03:38:23.712
19th through the authorize
condemnation onthree

03:38:24.315 --> 03:38:26.315
properties you have.

03:38:26.450 --> 03:38:28.552
>> then it has gone
through -- .
>> I didn't understand that

03:38:28.552 --> 03:38:30.486
either.
>> I apologize.

03:38:30.587 --> 03:38:32.587
>> that's why I asked.

03:38:33.123 --> 03:38:35.123
i go through conflict checks.

03:38:35.225 --> 03:38:37.526
They give us a list every week
of what companies are going to

03:38:38.662 --> 03:38:40.697
be on and we go through
conflict checks at that time.

03:38:40.697 --> 03:38:43.990
>> so it wold have been on
the December 19th.

03:38:44.702 --> 03:38:47.537
>> but to be clear the way it
works it is not that it is

03:38:47.605 --> 03:38:50.340
Councilwoman's thurm's
conflict it is a conflict from

03:38:50.407 --> 03:38:52.709
her colleague.
For example if one colleague

03:38:53.430 --> 03:38:55.311
took on a measure yesterday
she would have been clear in

03:38:56.580 --> 03:38:59.482
the pass but May not be clear
in comfortable voting
tomorrow.

03:38:59.717 --> 03:39:02.353
That's and I would again say
the same equally applies for

03:39:02.353 --> 03:39:04.353
everyone on the dais.

03:39:07.291 --> 03:39:09.926
It is not to single out
Councilwoman Thurm.

03:39:10.528 --> 03:39:12.528
Under the standard we've taken

03:39:13.640 --> 03:39:15.665
over the past year May be
impuded to you for others in

03:39:16.670 --> 03:39:18.402
your organization not
withstanding your involve.

03:39:19.370 --> 03:39:21.772
In this otherwise demitmous
issue.

03:39:22.273 --> 03:39:25.175
>> I can clarify.
For my situation and my

03:39:25.577 --> 03:39:28.112
situation only all conflict
checks do go through my

03:39:28.112 --> 03:39:30.112
office.

03:39:30.248 --> 03:39:32.248
So I would know if aything

03:39:34.153 --> 03:39:36.587
has come in since December and
because of that I'm

03:39:36.688 --> 03:39:38.456
comfortable voting.
>> then we can proceed if it

03:39:40.959 --> 03:39:43.195
is the will of the body.
I wish we had talked about it

03:39:43.195 --> 03:39:45.195
earlier.

03:39:52.838 --> 03:39:54.239
It is my fault.
All right.

03:39:56.475 --> 03:39:58.475
So I make the motion.

03:39:59.912 --> 03:40:01.912
And who made the second?

03:40:06.251 --> 03:40:08.850
Seconded recorded vote?
Michelle.

03:40:11.124 --> 03:40:13.124
All in favor raise your hand.

03:40:15.261 --> 03:40:17.261
against?

03:40:19.899 --> 03:40:21.899
Ms. Hightower and recused.

03:40:41.854 --> 03:40:43.854
Now do want it recorded.

03:40:45.659 --> 03:40:48.494
Okay.
7-1-1.

03:40:49.529 --> 03:40:51.529
>> nothing further from me.

03:40:51.631 --> 03:40:53.767
>> Mr. City managers.
>> nothing.
>> move to adjourn.

03:40:53.767 --> 03:40:55.767
>> second.

03:40:57.300 --> 03:40:58.404
>> all in favor sy aye.
>> aye.